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Old 11-12-2018, 05:25 AM   #1
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Old 11-12-2018, 05:50 AM   #2
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I find no reason to care as this is the NBA forum, existing only for NBA talk.
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Old 11-12-2018, 05:53 AM   #3
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Can't speak on Krumins, never saw him play.

Tkatchenko wasn't that good. I saw him several times. He moved like Gheorghe Muresan. Okay a bit more fluid but not by much. He didn't have any outside game. Outside the paint I mean. He was big, strong and SLOW.

Sabonis the Original never played in the NBA though. What Americans got as 'Sabonis' was an empty shell of his young self. Young Sabonis would've been a GREAT center. By great I mean Shaq-Olajuwon great.

Tkatchenko? Nope. Best case for him is Boban Marjanovic but I doubt it. Same size... but Boban is better.
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Old 11-12-2018, 06:16 AM   #4
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Who do you think is the greatest player from the Jordan era or before who never played in the NBA besides Len Bias? James Forrest?
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Can't speak on Krumins, never saw him play.

Tkatchenko wasn't that good. I saw him several times. He moved like Gheorghe Muresan. Okay a bit more fluid but not by much. He didn't have any outside game. Outside the paint I mean. He was big, strong and SLOW.

Sabonis the Original never played in the NBA though. What Americans got as 'Sabonis' was an empty shell of his young self. Young Sabonis would've been a GREAT center. By great I mean Shaq-Olajuwon great.

Tkatchenko? Nope. Best case for him is Boban Marjanovic but I doubt it. Same size... but Boban is better.

Despite all that, Sabonis did a pretty decent job containing/slowing a prime Shaq.
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Who do you think is the greatest player from the Jordan era or before who never played in the NBA besides Len Bias? James Forrest?

Nikos Gallis was like an earthbound Jordan. He was very good... but practically unwatchable due to immense ballhogging. If you think Jordan or Kobe or Drazen Petrovic were ballhogs... you should've seen Gallis. That was some insane shit. But he was good enough to almost single-handidly win a European Cup with Greece in 1987 or so. He was the first one that came to mind.
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Old 11-12-2018, 06:25 AM   #7
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Despite all that, Sabonis did a pretty decent job containing/slowing a prime Shaq.


Young Sabonis was better and by better I mean visibly, much better than young David Robinson. Bigger, stronger, more skilled. Just flat out better. Then he got injured... etc.
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Young Sabonis was better and by better I mean visibly, much better than young David Robinson. Bigger, stronger, more skilled. Just flat out better. Then he got injured... etc.

Huge fan of Sabonis - sadly he did not join the NBA at 20 and he could be even greater developed if he was able to go to college for 1-2 years. Because he waste some of his potential early on. If he was able to go through US college system at the time he would be beasting. At 17 his potential was so huge, I watched his whole games in 1986 WC (at 21) and he was somehow stationary, lacking Robinson intensity and quickness, yet he still dominate him at several occasions. A player with his height and skills is born once in decades. His talent was greater than DRob at the time obviously, biger body, better rebounder, better passer, equal scorer and at 20 he can block a lot of shots also - what he was lacking was DRob speed and intensity. With proper training and injury free Sabonis could have been 22-25 ppg 12-13 rpd 4 apg 2-3 bpg player. And it could be his Blazers numbers, which were very good team at the time.
Just as a note - old Sabonis did not slow down Shaq, sorry - maybe 2-3 games but otherwise Shaq was Shaq to be honest.
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Old 11-20-2018, 05:48 PM   #9
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Young Sabonis was better and by better I mean visibly, much better than young David Robinson. Bigger, stronger, more skilled. Just flat out better. Then he got injured... etc.

Yeah, at 7-4 it would seem pretty impossible to guard the guy. They always rave about the Sabonis we missed in the United States. I have a little trouble buying your claim, though, since I know Robinson was one of maybe the 20 greatest players in the history of college basketball, an unpaid sport.

Sabonis was said to be a brilliant passer for his size, yes?

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Old 11-20-2018, 10:37 PM   #10
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Young Sabonis was better and by better I mean visibly, much better than young David Robinson. Bigger, stronger, more skilled. Just flat out better. Then he got injured... etc.

For all we know Sabonis was the Ivan Drago of basketball....juiced by his Soviet handlers.

The huge weight gain and injury problems would lend credence to this.
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Yeah, at 7-4 it would seem pretty impossible to guard the guy. They always rave about the Sabonis we missed in the United States. I have a little trouble buying your claim, though, since I know Robinson was one of maybe the 20 greatest players in the history of college basketball, an unpaid sport.

Sabonis was said to be a brilliant passer for his size, yes?

Sabonis was a brilliant passer for any size.
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Sabonis was a brilliant passer for any size.

Have a best-passing centers list? Maybe a thread is in order...
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Have a best-passing centers list? Maybe a thread is in order...
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=195795

Might give you some idea.
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