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Old Yesterday, 04:15 PM   #391
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https://thejnotes.com/2017/11/22/uta...s-thankful-/2/

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He leads the team in defensive rating at a sturdy 95.4, which is especially solid considering the Jazz’s rating as a team is 102.1. He’s also second on the team in steals at 1.5 and leads the team in both plus/minus (2.6) and net rating (8.9). However, not only has he been formidable defensively as expected, but he’s been surprisingly impactful on the offensive end. He’s among the Jazz’s leaders in offensive rating and is third on the team in both field goal percentage and three-point percentage at 50.0 and 43.8, respectively.

no mention of his rebounding. He's the 2nd best player on the team right now. Needs to play more. He's been great not solid

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As guys around him get healthy and he becomes even more comfortable with his new Jazz team, particular as a stretch-four threat, he could very well be the heart and soul of Utah’s bench and a critical piece of their ability to turn things around after a slow start.

Might need to start him again

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they’re fortunate to have a nice little stretch leading up to it that could help them gain some ground and get back to where they hope to be. Five of Utah’s next six contests will be played on their home court where they’re a respectable 6-4 (.600) on the season.

looks like a tough stretch to me and 6-4 at home sucks!

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Those games are all quite winnable in my mind as they’ll take on the hapless Chicago Bulls, the up-and-down Denver Nuggets who just found out that they’ll be without newly acquired All-Star Paul Millsap for an extended period of time and a slew of inconsistent teams in the likes of the Milwaukee Bucks, New Orleans Pelicans and Washington Wizards.

Bulls and maybe the Pelicans. Certainly no games look quite winnable when you suck!

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It can only get better from here

It's going to get worse. The only thing that you can look forward to is roster changes. The roster the clown has assembled is a joke!

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the fact of the matter is that part of Utah’s recent struggles have to do largely with the fact that once again they are far from 100 percent healthy

Please! The offense is playing better without Rudy. The defense sucks but with Rudy the offense sucked. Johnson may be done? Exum sucks!

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Is it possible that this team will simply never quite jive?

It's a given. Favors and Rubio both need to come off the bench at minimum. Won't happen! Even if they did bring Rubio off the bench Hood won't have the ball in his hands anymore and that's a big reason why he is best off the bench

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Quin Snyder will figure out his rotations.

tough when you have so many players that don't fit

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The team’s newcomers will figure out how to assimilate and little by little this team should improve in terms of cohesion.

The new guys outside of Rubio are fine. He won't suddenly fit

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And once both Rudy Gobert and Joe Johnson are back in action, it’s undeniable that the team will be better as a result.

they sucked with them. Even when the obvious stares people in the face they can't see it!

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the future is undoubtedly bright for the Jazz. Dante Exum looked phenomenal during summer league and preseason and though his injury-riddled NBA career has been discouraging, there’s no denying that he could still blossom into a formidable player.

He could but it's unlikely. He was improved in pre-season not phenomenal. As far as the future it could be bright but the front office won't spend money to assemble the talent around the big 2
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Old Yesterday, 04:27 PM   #392
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Forget the fact that actively trying to lose would require shutting players down at some point and parting with some valuable pieces or that the strategy would be accompanied by the risk of creating a losing culture.

They are 4 games out of being the worst team in the league with Gobert and Johnson still out and the toughest part of the schedule looming. They don't have to sit anyone. The roster is a mess. Keep doing what they are doing and they will be right there with the worst teams. They aren't parting with Rudy or Mitchell. Everyone else is expendable. If they don't fit around the big two they need to go. If they are old or not appreciated here they probably need to go depending on the return. They might actually get better by trading your so called valuable pieces. At least get people that fit even if they are younger. It's hard to watch this dumpster fire. Losing with young guys that fit what they are doing I could handle a lot more

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If the Jazz drop this one, we’ve really got problems. I expect a big win.

they have big problems regardless

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Maybe Donovan Mitchell reaches a new level in his development

He does that nightly but at some point he will probably hit the Wall

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Rubio actually, y’know… starts to play

He is. He's a horrible fit. How the clown thought he would somehow be George Hill is almost funny if it wasn't so pathetic

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, we’ll know more about this team six games from now.

What will we know that I haven't been saying all along?
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Old Yesterday, 09:50 PM   #393
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I believe that the problems thus far are not only okay, they are understandable and even expected and do not warrant the Jazz simply “blowing things up” and starting over.

Keeping Gobert and Mitchell is not blowing things up. It's trying to get guys that fit around them unlike the clown's big move for Ricky!

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1. You “tank” to find a franchise cornerstone to build around. We already have one (two with Donovan Mitchell).

Need more than two

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Tanking is far from a guarantee. With three top two picks and one top ten, the Lakers’ best rookie out of the bunch was picked at 27.

Will Kuzma be better than guys 2 years younger than him in the future?

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5. Tanking is not worth the risk of Rudy wanting out. He wants to win.

Which is why you try to get guys that fit around him. They aren't winning now!

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6. Rudy is a top ten player.

with the right players around him he is. They don't have that now

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7. With Rudy this season, Jazz Defensive rating was third best. Without him? 19th.

and the offense sucked beacuse of the roster

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Since the Rudy injury, the Jazz have adjusted the offensive scheme to space the floor. In that span the Jazz have the fifth best offense. With that same spacing, but Rudy back on the floor, we can assume a top 15 offense and a top 3 defense.

which they won't have if Favors and Rubio are still here

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The Jazz are currently one game out of the playoff picture and other teams are also struggling (See: Clippers nine-game losing streak).

and 4 games out of the top pick!

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12. “Championship or bust” is just a silly mentality.

guess you'd have to think that as a Utah fan

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17. This pick and roll combo with Donovan Mitchell and Rudy Gobert will be deadly.

which is why you start building around them now

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25. Tanking could ruin a small-market team.

It hasn't ruined them yet. They've been tanking since the clown became GM
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Old Yesterday, 09:57 PM   #394
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And while the Jazz’s record of 7-11, four games under .500, might make it seem like they’re already well out of contention in this early part of the season, the slow start of several other teams actually has the Jazz in a decent spot.

until you look at the schedule and their roster

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Then there’s the Phoenix Suns who defeated the Jazz earlier in the year and have made significant strides since parting ways with former head coach Earl Watson, but still don’t seem like that daunting of a threat.

they looked a lot better than the Jazz in that game so keep dreaming

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Last of all are the Sacramento Kings and Dallas Mavericks, who simply put are dumpster fires that don’t figure to be competitive at all this season.

and the Jazz are 4 games behind Dallas with the tough part of the schedule coming
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Old Yesterday, 10:53 PM   #395
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Rubio's body language stinks at the moment. Doesn't look like he wants to be in Utah at all.
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Old Today, 01:51 AM   #396
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Hard to blame him. They've got him playing off the ball and spotting up like he is a shooter. Made no sense to acquire a guy that doesn't fit what Snyder wants to do. He needs the ball in his hands and he needs to be surrounded by shooters. They have tried to make him someone he is not. They've done the same with Favors. They've done it with Hood. Look how they are doing now in the roles they are built for. Everyone wants Ingles to be something he's not too.

Amazing how different they look when they move the ball though and than Hood comes in and that all stops suddenly!
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Hood was super frustrating running the P&R with Favors at times tonight. Just kept trying to get under the D, hit the free throw line and just stop, get double teamed and then reset and waste 16 seconds of the shot clock.

Mitchell didn't shoot well again but had some exciting plays (inbound dunk and the other spin move be ended up missing), but at least he seemed to put the shot away at half time and work on putting effort on D and moving the ball. Burks started looking better attacking the basket too.
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Old Today, 08:07 AM   #398
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Mitchell is great. He plays with a ton of energy. He is all over the place. The sky is the limit for him. Not sure even who to compare him with. Westbrook with an IQ? That's another thing with Hood. If his shot isn't falling he doesn't do much else like Donovan.

Seems like they want to turn Burks into something he isn't too. Getting to the rim is his game. Let him play it. Everyone doesn't have to spot up for 3's all the time.
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https://www.ksl.com/?sid=46203783&ni...n-30-point-win

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One of the Jazz's biggest weaknesses is their lack of quickness. Other than Donovan Mitchell, none of their players are reliably speedier than their opponents.

Burks?

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Was it the Bulls being really bad, or was it the Jazz playing well?

I think it was both. If the Jazz move the ball they look good on offense. Defense has been the problem and the Bulls couldn't do anything. Against a better team maybe they lose though?

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facing a pretty good rim protection defense in Utah

That great rim protecting team that kept SImmons from going to the rim at will?

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According to Jerebko, that matchup also was the first time Jerebko has faced a fellow Scandinavian in the NBA. That's fun.

Don't think there's been any others!

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Jonas Jerebko's good play on both ends

He's a player. Him and Sefolosha. Udoh is too one dimensional and Rubio sucks!

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That vision matters and also impacts the position Mitchell can play in years to come. If he can be a capable point guard, the ball can be in his hands far more frequently.

Don't think there is much question he is the future at pg. They want his length there and they want the ball in his hands if they are smart. I guess if Exum ever proves he an play that could change but I see Exum more as a 3 and D if he's lucky
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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/20...-thanksgiving/

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“When the shot is not falling, do something else — still contribute in different ways,” Mitchell said. “I looked at the film from last game, and there were still times in the fourth quarter where I took shots that weren’t in the flow of the offense. … Now, I made it a point to [pass] first, and let the offense come to me.”

Know wonder he looks better game by game.
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DIFFERENT DEFENSE: With Rudy Gobert out of the lineup, the Jazz have had to change their defensive philosophy while not giving up their defensive principles. Coach Quin Snyder used a football analogy to explain how his team has had to adapt since Gobert went out five games ago.

“It wouldn’t make sense to play the same way,” he said. “It’s like having a football team and you’re a passing team and suddenly you become a running team. Who your quarterback is and running backs are, impact that, but more than anything you’ve got a line that’s pass-blocking as opposed to run-blocking. There’s different points of emphasis on similar principles of different coverages.”

Snyder pointed out his team has had just one practice in the last two weeks and said it takes time to make adjustments.

“The philosophy baseline is the same, but we have to go about protecting the paint and contesting shots and doing those things different ways,” he said. “Our defense gets more extended and we’re in more rotations and those things take time. Those habits are contrarian in some ways to the way we play when Rudy is in the game where we’re able to stay home and utilize him. But our guys have done a really good job.”

So why are you still trying to play the same way offensively without Hayward and Hill as you did with them? Rubio spotting up makes no sense!
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It remains an open question as to whether the offense can create quality shot attempts against more talented or more energetic competition.

With just Favors they can. Can they defend a good offensive team without Rudy and the answer is no

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But given the challenging start to the season, which saw Utah again suffer major injuries to Dante Exum and Rudy Gobert

Can we go just one day without mentioning Dante?

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Hood scored a solid 19 points but required 17 shots to do so, including making 3 of 9 from three. He added 4 rebounds and an assist and a steal. It was a fairly nondescript game in many ways for Hood, which is noteworthy for that very reason. For a player who has often been scorching hot or frigid with his shot but rarely in between, a so-so night where he contributed to a blowout win is a positive. Given Hood’s high volume shooting from long range, even a moderately productive game on his part can help the offense stay afloat.

I think they would have done better with him on the bench. The ball movement was great until he came in playing 1 on 5

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Make no mistake, it’s not good for the Jazz that Jerebko is called on to start.

Would be good if it was alongside Gobert instead of Favors

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Utah hasn’t won a game in which Favors scored fewer than 20 points since November 1st. The Georgia Tech product certainly isn’t DeMarcus Cousins, but there’s a good argument that he might be Utah’s best first scoring option on the roster – certainly with Gobert out of the lineup, and perhaps even when he returns.

alongside Gobert he is a spot up shooter so no

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Against better defensive teams, that hasn’t been happening and the Jazz have struggled to get good shots.

the offense hasn't been the problem since Rudy went down

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Utah made 16 of 19 free throws, good for 84 percent, which does nothing to harm their league-leading accuracy there. It’s an odd development for a team that starts two traditional bigs in Gobert and Favors (when both are healthy). But when both bigs are looking like uncommonly solid shooters from this range, it may end up being an advantage this team needs if they can sustain such accuracy. Defense-first teams have a lot of close games, and this type of shooting on free attempts might mean a few extra wins, which could be desperately needed.

Be better if they got to the line more. Udoh and Jonas also hit free throws
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https://www.slcdunk.com/2017/11/22/1...o-thanksgiving

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Jonas Jerebko deserves to keep some of these minutes after Rudy Gobert comes back. The man just makes plays.

Udoh to the bench at least until Favors and Johnson are traded away. I might look to trade Udoh too though

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If Rodney were actually coached to only take his good shots he could be borderline Allstar and not become CJ Miles 2.0.

He's no CJ unfortunately. And he's no all-star under any circumstance

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Jerebko will be better than Favors playing with Gobert.

So would Sefolosha and Ingles and Bolomboy and myabe Johnson if he's got any gas left in the tank!

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Favors will be better as a backup to Rudy or needs to be traded.

Can't see any scenario where Favors is on the team at the all-star break. But with the clown running the show who knows. If he is you got to move him to the back-up spot after that

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It is still not clear that Rubio is a fit for this team.

it's clear that he isn't I think Quin even knows it. He likes Neto more and he doesn't like Neto!

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What is everyone’s guess on starting lineup when Gobert returns? I am guessing 70% that Quin learns nothing and starts with Gobert and Favors.

There's no doubt. They have to continue to start Favors until he's traded. Hopefully next month he will be gone. How long do you act like Rubio is a starter though? He needs to go to the bench and he doesn't really fit there either. He's probably untradable unless they throw in a pick or something to get rid of him and the clown won't so that. He will hang onto him like he did Trey until he gets a 2nd round pick for him at next year's deadline despite it hurting the roster in the meantime

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I am still not sold on the tank. I really do believe we have a lot of talent on this team. How many games are we expected to lose before Gobert gets back?

I think they could be a lot better too but it means roster changes and with the clown you can't count on that. He hates to admit he is wrong. He'd rather keep playing the same team stubbornly hoping it will finally show he is a wizard

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You Act Like Burks is Never Given a Chance to Shoot
He has the 6th most field goal attempts per game on our team and if you look at per 36 minutes he is 3rd after only Mitchell and Hood. He is given lots of chances to shoot; he has a green light the shoot. The problem with Burks is; he’s not that good at shooting. So far this season; he’s shooting worse than Ricky Rubio, and let’s be honest, Rubio isn’t that great of a shooter himself.

If Burks is going to play in an expanded role like you want; he needs to prove that he’s able to knock down shots; because right now his role is to provide scoring off of the bench and he hasn’t been that good at it. When Johnson is back; Burks is likely to see fewer minutes as Johnson is likely to fulfill the scoring off of the bench role much better than Burks.

So Burks really needs to step up his game more. He does seem to be doing better on the defensive end over the last few games; so that’s something that provides value to the team, even if he can’t shoot. Hopefully he continues to improve on both ends of the court and become a much bigger part of his rotation in the future.

I like Burks and want him to do well and be a part of our team for years to come; but he has a long way to go.

The problem is they aren't letting him play his game. Against the Bulls he looked like vintage Alec instead of the spotting up for 3 version. They need his athleticism, rebounding, ability to draw fouls and get to the rim.
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After starting the season as one of the hottest teams in the stacked Western Conference, the last few weeks have gone the exact opposite way for the new-look Jazz.

The main reason? Injuries.

The team is without a few key pieces early on in the year after seeing Rudy Gobert go down with a right knee injury that will keep him out a total of 4-6 weeks, as well as Joe Johnson suffering tendon instability in his right wrist that will keep him sidelined until the end of November. Dante Exum is also out with a shoulder injury without a timetable for return.

The main reason is the roster. They sucked before Rudy went down and Johnson was sucking and Exum has done nothing but suck

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is it time for the Jazz to make a trade to try and shake things up to save their season before their key players return from injury?

make trades not just one but it will never happen. Favors and Rubio need to go for sure

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The Utah Jazz have a decision to make with Derrick Favors this season.

Entering the final year of his contract with the Jazz, making $12 million this year, Utah has three decisions they can make with the 26-year-old forward.

The first option is to sign the eight-year big man to an extension, which is starting to seem like more of an unlikely option due to the team signing Rudy Gobert to a $100 million extension last season and having to make a decision on what they want to do with Rodney Hood and Ricky Rubio in the next year or so.

First I've hear of the extension yet this year. I think it could make him a lot more valuable. If he agrees to sign an extension with a team they can get more return I'd think. The wizard needs to be fired if Favors is re-signed. I can't imagine Favors would come back to Utah under any circumstance either. Get rid of Rubio. Trade Hood. Easy decisions. Next

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The third option is to field trade calls for Favors

It's the only option. Hard to imagine they aren't talking to teams now about him

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ultimately the team decided to not trade away Favors

got to think he would have ben gone last year if healthy but again we're talking about the clown

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At 36 years old, Johnson can still provide a lot to an NBA team in his 17th season in the league. If Utah isn’t looking to hang on to Johnson, the Jazz may look to see if they can get something in return to Johnson this season.

got to prove he's not done first. Again hard to imagine keeping him if they can get anything for him. If they can't he needs to be bought out or cut. Open roster spaces for G-leaguers make more sense than a washed up 36 year old

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Hood has been one of the best players for Utah this season

Debatable. Last night is a good example. they were all talking aout him because of his point total but he was ineffecient and a ball stopper

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An interesting aspect to Hood continuing to stick around in Utah is the quick development of rookie Donovan Mitchell. Both Hood and Mitchell play virtually the same position, which could make things tough for them to co-exist moving forward.

Hood is a 6th man and Mitchell will be the pg.

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If that is indeed the case, it wouldn’t surprise me to see Utah look for possible landing spots for Hood this season, potentially packaging him in a deal to bring a solid piece in return to Utah.

They love Hood but hopefully they get rid of him while he has some value. Won't be worth much in a sign and trade and who wants to pay him 15-18 million plus to play 1 on 5? I'm afraid the Jazz do!

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The 12-year, 33-year-old veteran wing could be a valuable piece on a contending team down the stretch of the season, but could also be a nice addition in a trade package containing one of the players on the slides previous.

Another appealing thing about Sefolosha, along with his play so far this season, is his contract. Sefolosha has two years left on his deal (which includes this season) at just over $5 million a year.

Non guaranted next year. This one is tough. He's been great. Big influence on Mitchell. Might have to trade him just because of his age though?

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It will be interesting to see if the Jazz decide to ultimately hold onto Burks or Joe Johnson, or if they ship away either player. But if the Jazz do indeed decide to make a move, Burks could be finding himself on the way out in Utah.

He and Neto both need to go somewhere that they can be appreciated. It's not here.

Jerebko, Udoh and Ingles should all be mentioned because of their age. Love Jerebko and Ingles. Not sure how tradable Ingles is with 3 pluus years on his contract. Udoh should have some value too as a rim protector.

Rubio has to go even if it's a buy out so he can go back to Spain!

Mitchell and Neto. Get what you can for everyone else!
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