Joe Biden Exploits His Own Son's Death to Protect the Health Insurance Industry

[diamenz]

Do you agree with Biden that the US should not get rid of private insurance in favor of only government run insurance?

i'm curious - do u support joe biden, along with his cronies like schumer, pelosi and the criminal clintons? do u support their corruption of money & power?

[SomeBlackDude]

Didn't help that she acknowledged that her stance on Bussing was practically the same as Biden's after trying to hit him hard on Bussing during that first debate. Sloppy, sloppy, sloppy...

true. she had other issues, but she was the first of the 'medicare for all' band wagoners to finally admit that implementing something like that would take at least a decade to even begin pushing through in reality.

They've finally gotten around to acknowledging that taxes will go up on not just the rich, but everyone in order to offset insurance premiums.

took bern guevara how many decades of ranting to FINALLY ADMIT taxes would have to go up for everyone to fund his agenda? There is no such thing as "free" in this world. him claiming everything will be free and paid for by a relative handful of millionyears and billionyears is no different than maga convincing a whole mess of rubes that mexico was going to buy them a wall.

bern needs to hold a town hall or rally where he sits down the bros and gets real with them just once.

"listen bros, i know i've been telling you everything will be free and paid for by jeff bezos. but i've been crunching some numbers and medicare for all will cost $4 trillion per year and take at least a decade to even implement. a 70% top tax rate on millionyears and billionyears would generate about $700 billion. that leaves about $3.4 trillion i'd have to come up with every year, just to cover healthcare. nevermind i have a 'free' college plan too. so... run your pockets, bros. run your pockets."

No... not particularly detail oriented people at all.

as long as mexico is footing the bill for everything, it's all good.

[Nanners]

now that pocahontas aka 'i have a plan for that' has overtaken feel the bern in the primary polls, do you think che bernvara would accept a position as her vp?

if not, maybe something further down the trough- like first comrade of health care?

Elizabeth Dolezal should enjoy her polls while they last... she is going to wind up in the same dumpster that Tulsi threw Kamala Harris into.

[bladefd]

You didn't answer the question. Do you disagree with Biden? Are you stanning for a government run "Medicare for All" only system?

Let me answer it on his behalf. Richieboy and most Republicans want medicare/medicaid/ACA abolished and insurance 100% privatized. They don't give a sh!t about anyone except the rich, even if they are poor themselves. Makes no sense if you ask me. Their only goal is to divide the Democrat party so their puppets from top 0.1% can advance to overrun the country like they have last 40yrs.

Having said that, I do believe Biden has no business running for President or anything for that matter. If I didn't know the guy and I just saw the debate, I would estimate his age to be 80 (in comparison, I would estimate Bernie to be late-60s, Warren early-60s, Pete mid-30s, Trump mid-70s). He does not belong up there. Yes, he would probably win the presidency but so would couple other candidates like Warren, Bernie and Mayor Pete.

[qrich]

Let me answer it on his behalf. Richieboy and most Republicans want medicare/medicaid/ACA abolished and insurance 100% privatized. They don't give a sh!t about anyone except the rich, even if they are poor themselves. Makes no sense if you ask me.

Their only goal is to divide the Democrat party so their puppets from top 0.1% can advance to overrun the country like they have last 40yrs.

Having said that, I do believe Biden has no business running for President or anything for that matter. If I didn't know the guy and I just saw the debate, I would estimate his age to be 80 (in comparison, I would estimate Bernie to be late-60s, Warren early-60s, Pete mid-30s, Trump mid-70s). He does not belong up there. Yes, he would probably win the presidency but so would couple other candidates like Warren, Bernie and Mayor Pete.

[Hawker]

https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-ins...oll_us_082619/

This monmouth poll is pretty informative.

On the issue of health care, 58% of party voters say it is very important to them that the Democrats nominate someone who supports “Medicare for All.” Another 23% say it is somewhat important, 10% say it is not important, and 9% are unsure. However, it is not clear that Medicare for All means the same thing to all voters. When asked specifically about what type of health insurance system they prefer, 53% of Democratic voters say they want a system that offers an opt in to Medicare while retaining the private insurance market. Just 22% say they want to move to a system where Medicare for All replaces private insurance. Another 7% prefer to keep insurance private for people under 65 but regulate the costs and 11% want to leave the system basically as it is now.

I was always suspect of Nanners and Scalsfan when they post articles saying, "the majority of americans support medicare for all" when americans are actually confused at what that actually means.

To bernie supporters, that means getting rid of private insurance altogether whereas other democrats just want a public option. The public option is more popular amongst democrats at the moment which means there's no way single payer has the support of all Americans.

And all the other industrial nations have a private health insurance option. You still need private health insurance if you have a public option.

[Hawker]

Let me answer it on his behalf. Richieboy and most Republicans want medicare/medicaid/ACA abolished and insurance 100% privatized. They don't give a sh!t about anyone except the rich, even if they are poor themselves. Makes no sense if you ask me. Their only goal is to divide the Democrat party so their puppets from top 0.1% can advance to overrun the country like they have last 40yrs.

Having said that, I do believe Biden has no business running for President or anything for that matter. If I didn't know the guy and I just saw the debate, I would estimate his age to be 80 (in comparison, I would estimate Bernie to be late-60s, Warren early-60s, Pete mid-30s, Trump mid-70s). He does not belong up there. Yes, he would probably win the presidency but so would couple other candidates like Warren, Bernie and Mayor Pete.

It's certainly fun pouring gas on the fire but democrats are doing this without any help really.

The Bernie chants and booing back in 2016 were hilarious. Hillary and her baby boomer democrat friends created these millenials and now they're stuck with them.

[Nanners]

I was always suspect of Nanners and Scalsfan when they post articles saying, "the majority of americans support medicare for all" when americans are actually confused at what that actually means.

The main reason that some americans are confused about what medicare for all means is because of relentless propaganda from the private insurance industry, pharmaceutical companies, the mainstream media, and useful idiots such as yourself.

Bernie has never said that he wants to abolish private insurance, and neither have I... so you are just projecting here. I am guessing that almost nobody is going to be interested in paying hundreds or thousands of dollars a month for private healthcare when they can get public for free, and no employer is going to pay for an employee health plan when they dont need to... but if you really want to continue to buy insurance then more power to you.

Anyway, once medicare for all is passed the private insurance companies will basically be losing 100% of their customers overnight... collapse is inevitable for them.

[Hawker]

The main reason that some americans are confused about what medicare for all means is because of relentless propaganda from the private insurance industry, pharmaceutical companies, the mainstream media, and useful idiots such as yourself. question that the vast majority of americans

Bernie has never once said that he wants to abolish private insurance, and neither have I... so you are just projecting here. Barely anybody is going to be interested in paying hundreds or thousands of dollars a month for healthcare when they can get it for free, and no employer is going to pay for an employee health plan when they dont need to. Anyway, once medicare for all is passed the private insurance companies will basically be losing 100% of their customers overnight.. the insurance industry will collapse.

So you don't want to abolish it - just create a plan that accomplishes in abolishing it. How come private health insurance companies still exist where they have this btw? I have private health insurance here in Aus/NZ because I don't want to wait a year for surgery. I guarantee you there will be a lot of people buying private health insurance.

Sounds like you want a public option with the option for private health insurance.

[SomeBlackDude]

Bernie has never said that he wants to abolish private insurance

Sanders: 'You're damn right' health insurance companies should be eliminated

I am guessing that almost nobody is going to be interested in paying hundreds or thousands of dollars a month for private healthcare when they can get public for free

there is no such thing as free in this life.

comrade bern himself has pegged his plan to cost $4 trillion per year.

as i pointed out earlier, a 70% top marginal tax rate on millionyears and billionyears would generate about $700 billion annually.

that leaves $3.3 trillion that needs to be raised every single year.

guess where that's coming from.

everyone will have a 70% tax rate.

good luck selling that to the 'murrican public.

stick with the 'everything will be free' talking point.

[Nanners]

So you don't want to abolish it - just create a plan that accomplishes in abolishing it. How come private health insurance companies still exist where they have this btw? I have private health insurance here in Aus/NZ because I don't want to wait a year for surgery. I guarantee you there will be a lot of people buying private health insurance.

Sounds like you want a public option with the option for private health insurance.

If private insurance disappears, it will be because it cannot compete with medicare... I thought thats how your beloved free market is supposed to work?

I dont think you understand why I think medicare for all is so important. Its not about replacing all of the private plans with a public ones, its about getting healthcare to the 30 MILLION americans who are currently uninsured, and providing affordable care to the TENS OF MILLIONS more who are underinsured and unable to afford their co-pays and medicine.

Currently 1/4th of american diabetics are rationing insulin because they cant afford refills... insulin, a one hundred year old drug that costs $20-30 a vial in most of Europe is $300 (and climbing) in the USA, and your fellow americans are dying because of this. This is why we need medicare for all.

Medical bills are the #1 cause of bankruptcy in the USA, approx half a million families fall victim to this every year. Many of these people had insurance, or they had it until they their medical ailment forced them to stop working and therefore lose their insurance. Its preposterous that people are going bankrupt just because they had the misfortune of getting cancer or whatever. This is why we need medicare for all.

This isnt about you. People like you that have money will continue to be just fine, of course there will be private insurance for you if you really want to buy it. This is about helping the enormous chunk of americans who are getting completely fu[COLOR="Black"]c[/COLOR]ked by our corrupt and broken system.

[Nanners]

Sanders: 'You're damn right' health insurance companies should be eliminated

Bernies healthcare bill is publicly available to read, show me the part that abolishes private insurance

bbbbut we cant afford pay for a healthcare system that would ultimately cost less than our current one

Literally every single developed nation on the planet has a socialized healthcare system... except the wealthiest nation on the planet which "cant afford" to switch to a system that would be cheaper than their current one.

[diamenz]

what i wanna know is who all of the supposed moderate democrats on this forum - at least two in this thread support if they're not in it for sanders, warren or harris.

who u be about, dawgs?

[SomeBlackDude]

Literally every single developed nation on the planet has a socialized healthcare system... except the wealthiest nation on the planet which "cant afford" to switch to a system that would be cheaper than their current one.

look, if el comandante bern sits 'murricans down and tells them the truth- says "hey, you can live in a socialist paradise like sweden or denmark but you'd have to pay a 60%+ tax rate and wait a decade for it to be implemented" and 'murrica is like 'cool', so be it.

but by claiming everything will be 'free'... that's no different than maga convincing ignorant rubes mexico will buy them a wall.

it's a flat out lie.

everyone's taxes, not just the millionyears and billionyears would have to be increased exponentially in order to fund the socialist agenda.

be straight with the public, tell them the cost. tell them how bigly their taxes will increase. and if they still think it's a great idea, then hopefully they'll vote for you and people who think like you to the senate/house so your agenda will be passed.

otherwise, it's just the flipside of the maga empty fantasy coin.

and who's gonna pay for it?!

[qrich]

So you don't want to abolish it - just create a plan that accomplishes in abolishing it. How come private health insurance companies still exist where they have this btw? I have private health insurance here in Aus/NZ because I don't want to wait a year for surgery. I guarantee you there will be a lot of people buying private health insurance.

Sounds like you want a public option with the option for private health insurance.

And then you will have all these leftists cry and say that's not fair.....leading us back to square one.