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Old 11-18-2007, 03:12 PM   #61
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Ugh. Do I really have to look for all those "wade phantom foul" videos on Youtube again?

Don't waste your time. Most of them actually are fouls and the videos were created by some deranged fool, anyways. Actually on second thought, show me where Wade "runs into people on the ground" in those videos.
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Old 11-18-2007, 03:12 PM   #62
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Ok, let's look at what we've learned from this topic.


When a player goes for a basket, and gets fouled, it's not the fault of the defender. Instead, look at the player trying to score who's wrong here. From this point on, when a player gets fouled while trying to score a basket, this player should be benched or sent to the NBDL instead of shooting two free throws. That will teach them damnit.
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Old 11-18-2007, 03:15 PM   #63
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This dudes dumbass logic.
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Old 11-18-2007, 03:20 PM   #64
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Another thing, somebunghole, you said that Dwayne Wade slashes to the rim mainly to get fouled, not to make a layup. He's a near 50% shooter, and most of his FGA are from him slashing to the rim. He shoots better percentages then other high scorers like Kobe Bryant and Lebron James, but shoots about the same amount of FTs, so why don't they get blamed as well.

Also, why should you blame an offensive player for trying to draw contact, when defenders intentionally foul all the time to stop players from making a high percentage shot? Isn't that also violating the spirit of the game?

You also shouldn't blame players trying to draw contact on the players or coaches. If you want to blame anyone, blame it on the rule changes. It wasn't nearly as easy to draw a foul 10 years ago because much more physical play was allowed.
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Old 11-18-2007, 03:24 PM   #65
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=aySGUzzxjGE&feature=related

Can anyone please show me where the defender jumps up here? Or how exactly was Wade planning to score here if it wasn't for the foul call?
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Old 11-18-2007, 03:27 PM   #66
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Also, can someone explain or justify this to me?

Dwayne Wade 2005-2006 season : 27.2 PPG, 10.7 FTA

Michael Jordan 1996-1997 season: 29.6 PPG, 7.0 FTA

Larry Bird 1987-1988 season: 29.9 PPG, 5.9 FTA
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Old 11-18-2007, 03:28 PM   #67
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=aySGUzzxjGE&feature=related

Can anyone please show me where the defender jumps up here? Or how exactly was Wade planning to score here if it wasn't for the foul call?

It looks to me that after his spin he was going to go for a layup but lost his balance and fell. It was bad call by the refs, but I wouldn't say Wade was intentionall trying to get fouled. I would say he was trying to make a layup.
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Old 11-18-2007, 03:28 PM   #68
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Also, can someone explain or justify this to me?

Dwayne Wade 2005-2006 season : 27.2 PPG, 10.7 FTA

Michael Jordan 1996-1997 season: 29.6 PPG, 7.0 FTA

Larry Bird 1987-1988 season: 29.9 PPG, 5.9 FTA

Sure. Wade attacks more than both of them. Next.
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Old 11-18-2007, 03:30 PM   #69
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=aySGUzzxjGE&feature=related

Can anyone please show me where the defender jumps up here? Or how exactly was Wade planning to score here if it wasn't for the foul call?



You are absolutely right and that video right there is PROOF Wade is a flopper and gets way more phantom calls than deserved calls.


By the way, could you maybe use this video for me and defend the fact Michael Jordan was a bad scorer and dunker?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5_r4AGX3Qmo
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Old 11-18-2007, 03:31 PM   #70
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Also, can someone explain or justify this to me?

Dwayne Wade 2005-2006 season : 27.2 PPG, 10.7 FTA

Michael Jordan 1996-1997 season: 29.6 PPG, 7.0 FTA

Larry Bird 1987-1988 season: 29.9 PPG, 5.9 FTA

MJ and Bird did not drive the lane as much as Wade did. They were much better shooters than Wade is and do not rely on taking the ball to the rim as much.


Anything else I can justify? I'm liking this.
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Old 11-18-2007, 03:32 PM   #71
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Also, can someone explain or justify this to me?

Dwayne Wade 2005-2006 season : 27.2 PPG, 10.7 FTA

Michael Jordan 1996-1997 season: 29.6 PPG, 7.0 FTA

Larry Bird 1987-1988 season: 29.9 PPG, 5.9 FTA


Like I said, the rule changes. It wasn't as easy to draw a foul back then. And in this case another thing would be style of play. Michael Jordan in 97 didn't drive to the hoop nearly as much as he did in the late 80s, and Larry Bird was never really a slasher.
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Old 11-18-2007, 03:40 PM   #72
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Sure. Wade attacks more than both of them. Next.

Wow. Just wow. You're actually trying to argue that Wade is a more aggressive offensive player than MJ or Bird? Wow.

Oh, and MJ did average 10 FTA a game in the late 80s. He also averaged 38 PPG that year though.

What's ridiculous is not the amount of FTs Wade takes, but the percentage they make up of his scoring total. And to argue that it's because he's better at attacking the basket than MJ and not because the rules have been changed to help him is downright f*cking insane.
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Old 11-18-2007, 03:42 PM   #73
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Wow. Just wow. You're actually trying to argue that Wade is a more aggressive offensive player than MJ or Bird? Wow.

Yeah and so are two others here, it seems. What does that tell you?

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And to argue that it's because he's better at attacking the basket than MJ and not because the rules have been changed to help him is downright f*cking insane.

Never said he was better at it. Just that he does it more, and certainly more than the 97 version.
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Old 11-18-2007, 03:43 PM   #74
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Wow. Just wow. You're actually trying to argue that Wade is a more aggressive offensive player than MJ or Bird? Wow.

No, just different.
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Old 11-18-2007, 03:44 PM   #75
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No, just different.

Right. I assumed he considered driving more as being more "aggressive". That or he was just distorting my words like the asshat he is.
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