Cavs with LeBron: 39-16, Without: 2-9

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Impact.

[riseagainst]

[theoneneo]

This is thread worthy because?

Get excited that a team is better with Lbron brehs

[imdaman99]

Let's see the numbers after the trades. Cavs with Lebron pre-trades were nothing to get excited over.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Let's see the numbers after the trades. Cavs with Lebron pre-trades were nothing to get excited over.

Since trade without LeBron 1-2 and 21-4 with I believe.

[riseagainst]

that's why he's the GOAT, always making team records better.

[pauk]

This is why i think he should win the MVP, the immediate transformation of the both teams he left/joined is nuts...

One that fought for best record in the NBA and immediately struggles after he left (despite some nice trades) in Miami....

One that would struggle to not have one of the worst records in the NBA and now that he joined them is a team that would have the best record in the NBA right now if they woulda clicked earlier in the season, like they are now.

He plays 1st all-defense and best overall offense with the highest IQ/intangibles/leadership on both ends of the floor and comes with a very recent championship experience... ofcourse the impact / valuability is bigger than anybody else....

The Lebron hate is huge.... people are bored, they want something fresh to give the MVP to.... they want a new story.... (Curry, Harden)....

I know its not fair, but the MVP should go to the deserving MVP recepient no matter what.... even if that player has to recieve every single MVP every season......

Think about this, if Lebron was some random player just showing up for the 1st time this season........ he would be the #1 MVP on the race right now....

[RedBlackAttack]

Cavs are 1-5 without Kyrie, fwiw.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Cavs are 1-5 without Kyrie, fwiw.

How many of those (if any) were also without LeBron?

[Nash]

This is why i think he should win the MVP, the immediate transformation of the both teams he left/joined is nuts...

One that fought for best record in the NBA and immediately struggles after he left (despite some nice trades) in Miami....

One that would struggle to not have one of the worst records in the NBA and now that he joined them is a team that would have the best record in the NBA right now if they woulda clicked earlier in the season, like they are now.

He plays 1st all-defense and best overall offense with the highest IQ/intangibles/leadership on both ends of the floor and comes with a very recent championship experience... ofcourse the impact / valuability is bigger than anybody else....

The Lebron hate is huge.... people are bored, they want something fresh to give the MVP to.... they want a new story.... (Curry, Harden)....

I know its not fair, but the MVP should go to the deserving MVP recepient no matter what.... even if that player has to recieve every single MVP every season......

Think about this, if Lebron was some random player just showing up for the 1st time this season........ he would be the #1 MVP on the race right now....

what about Harden who has carried Houston to wins without Howard?

Harden is the mvp

[RedBlackAttack]

How many of those (if any) were also without LeBron?

Don't have the numbers in front of me, but a couple I think... just like a couple of the games without LeBron were also without Kyrie.

Also, the vast majority of the games minus LeBron came before the trade which overhauled the roster. Fact is, the team was playing terrible in the games leading up to his taking time off.

That's sort of a warped way to judge this team.

To me, everything that happened prior to Jan. 15 is of very little significance with this team.

[Nevaeh]

Impact.

Cavs with Lebron= 0 championships. Dat Impact!!

Sorry, couldn't resist after skimming thru Dragic's "Pippen 6 Rings" thread.

[Lebronxrings]

i watch a ton of cavs games and i can tell you that this team would not even make the playoffs without lebron. If you thought the knicks were bad, pray you never see lebron heavily injured...

[JT123]

i watch a ton of cavs games and i can tell you that this team would not even make the playoffs without lebron. If you thought the knicks were bad, pray you never see lebron heavily injured...

QFT

[Alamо]

Cavs are 1-5 without Kyrie, fwiw.

Might as well just give him the MVP right now