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Old 06-18-2008, 07:34 PM   #1
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Default Boris Diaw for 14th Pick and Moving Monta

As crazy as an idea this is, you can argue that there isn't a player they can take at 14 that is better than Diaw. At 26 years old, Diaw is still rather young and still has room to improve. Since being with the Suns, his numbers have been pretty good. His role in Phoenix diminished as Stoudemire progressed, but in Nellie's system, he could easily be a 15 points, 7 rebound, and 5 assist guy to go with being this team's best defender right off the bat. He's as versatile as they come and has good length. He can handle and pass the ball like a point guard with the ability to play the center position for Nellie. The only negative is that they'll be adding an additional $7.5M to the payroll which limits other options. Resigning Biedrins is their first priority and they may very well lose out on Ellis regardless since they probably won't match any max offers that he'll get, which is almost a near certainty. They can always do a sign and trade to get compensation but adding another $10M to the salary will certainly put them over the cap and near the luxury tax threshold but not quite there. Possibly do a deal with Memphis for Kyle Lowry, Mike Miller, Jason Collins (expiring contract) and Hakim Warrick for Ellis and Harrington. This would add some depth for this team without going out and spending additional money that will put them over the luxury tax. Memphis can then draft someone like Lopez and have a Conley, Ellis, Gay, Harrington, and Lopez line up.

Line up:

PG Davis - Lowry
SG Jackson - Belinelli
SF Miller - Warrick
PF Diaw - Wright
C Biedrins - Collins
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Old 06-18-2008, 08:59 PM   #2
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Default Re: Boris Diaw for 14th Pick and Moving Monta

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As crazy as an idea this is, you can argue that there isn't a player they can take at 14 that is better than Diaw. At 26 years old, Diaw is still rather young and still has room to improve. Since being with the Suns, his numbers have been pretty good. His role in Phoenix diminished as Stoudemire progressed, but in Nellie's system, he could easily be a 15 points, 7 rebound, and 5 assist guy to go with being this team's best defender right off the bat. He's as versatile as they come and has good length. He can handle and pass the ball like a point guard with the ability to play the center position for Nellie. The only negative is that they'll be adding an additional $7.5M to the payroll which limits other options. Resigning Biedrins is their first priority and they may very well lose out on Ellis regardless since they probably won't match any max offers that he'll get, which is almost a near certainty. They can always do a sign and trade to get compensation but adding another $10M to the salary will certainly put them over the cap and near the luxury tax threshold but not quite there. Possibly do a deal with Memphis for Kyle Lowry, Mike Miller, Jason Collins (expiring contract) and Hakim Warrick for Ellis and Harrington. This would add some depth for this team without going out and spending additional money that will put them over the luxury tax. Memphis can then draft someone like Lopez and have a Conley, Ellis, Gay, Harrington, and Lopez line up.

Line up:

PG Davis - Lowry
SG Jackson - Belinelli
SF Miller - Warrick
PF Diaw - Wright
C Biedrins - Collins
So the suns only get the 14th? We have the 15th whats the point of moving one up?
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Old 06-18-2008, 10:51 PM   #3
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Default Re: Boris Diaw for 14th Pick and Moving Monta

I don't think he was suggesting swapping picks, I believe he was saying now the suns would get the 14 and 15th
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Old 06-18-2008, 11:20 PM   #4
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Default Re: Boris Diaw for 14th Pick and Moving Monta

Stupid idea, strengthen a division rival just to take a back a bad contract.

Diaw makes 9 million a year in case you didn't know.

You're also very uninformed if you don't think we can bring back Monta when Mully already said he will at any cost. Monta is not getting a max offer because no team is that far under the salary cap to offer him that.

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Old 06-19-2008, 02:40 PM   #5
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Default Re: Boris Diaw for 14th Pick and Moving Monta

Diaw turned to trash once he got paid (now he's way overpaid).

I don't want him.
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Default Re: Boris Diaw for 14th Pick and Moving Monta

And we are resigning Monta. Quote me on that.
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Default Re: Boris Diaw for 14th Pick and Moving Monta

why would you move monta ellis for this piece of $#!t who couldnt even score over tony parker... and get another pick... monta ellis is an allstar.
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Old 06-20-2008, 12:26 PM   #8
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Default Re: Boris Diaw for 14th Pick and Moving Monta

Here are my concerns:

In order for this team to compete with other Western conference teams, they need to get better defensively. It was no coincidence that 3 out of the 4 teams competing for the championship this past season was 1, 2 and 3 in defense (Detroit, San Antonio, and Boston). In order for them to do that, they'll need to get out of small ball. Phoenix and past Dallas teams has proved that small ball can only yield limited success so why imitate 4th or 5th place? The ultimate goal in any sport is to win the championship. As long as Ellis is the shooting guard on this team, this will be a small ball team. Ellis is a 6'3 shooting guard incapabable of guarding bigger players, or point guards for that matter, and his frame doesn't suggest that he won't get much stronger than he already his. So as long as he's your 2, they'll need a big point to guard opposing shooting guards which Baron did for the majority of the season. That alone, already makes this a poor defensive team. Unless Monta can play the point full time and they trade Baron, then matching max offers will be a mistake. Memphis is the team that seems most interested in Monta and their roughly $13M-$15M under the cap.
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Default Re: Boris Diaw for 14th Pick and Moving Monta

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Here are my concerns:

In order for this team to compete with other Western conference teams, they need to get better defensively. It was no coincidence that 3 out of the 4 teams competing for the championship this past season was 1, 2 and 3 in defense (Detroit, San Antonio, and Boston). In order for them to do that, they'll need to get out of small ball. Phoenix and past Dallas teams has proved that small ball can only yield limited success so why imitate 4th or 5th place? The ultimate goal in any sport is to win the championship. As long as Ellis is the shooting guard on this team, this will be a small ball team. Ellis is a 6'3 shooting guard incapabable of guarding bigger players, or point guards for that matter, and his frame doesn't suggest that he won't get much stronger than he already his. So as long as he's your 2, they'll need a big point to guard opposing shooting guards which Baron did for the majority of the season. That alone, already makes this a poor defensive team. Unless Monta can play the point full time and they trade Baron, then matching max offers will be a mistake. Memphis is the team that seems most interested in Monta and their roughly $13M-$15M under the cap.


ok since mentioned that memphis is interested id rather have monta be traded for mike miller. because Diaw isnt a two guard either niether a three. So dont try make a big deal out of monta who is 6'3 when ray allen is just 6'5. Diaw he maybe 6'9 but he really cant play that good. When Marion was traded we all have seen what diaw can do and its not good in the eyes i tell you.
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Old 06-20-2008, 07:04 PM   #10
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Default Re: Boris Diaw for 14th Pick and Moving Monta

What Boris Diaw are you looking at, not good on the eyes... is that a joke

Diaw is a very skilled offensive player whom also plays stellar defense. Diaw also proposes several mismatch opportunities against others.. shorter and quicker guys cannot play him in the post, and bigger guys cant handle him on the perimeter. Diaw started out his career also playing PG and can play any of 4 positions on the court. In the playoffs this year, he was arguably the best player on the floor PHX vs SA. He definately was Phoenix most reliable weapon. So, I'm not sure what wasnt good on the eyes.
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Default Re: Boris Diaw for 14th Pick and Moving Monta

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Here are my concerns:

In order for this team to compete with other Western conference teams, they need to get better defensively. It was no coincidence that 3 out of the 4 teams competing for the championship this past season was 1, 2 and 3 in defense (Detroit, San Antonio, and Boston). In order for them to do that, they'll need to get out of small ball. Phoenix and past Dallas teams has proved that small ball can only yield limited success so why imitate 4th or 5th place? The ultimate goal in any sport is to win the championship. As long as Ellis is the shooting guard on this team, this will be a small ball team. Ellis is a 6'3 shooting guard incapabable of guarding bigger players, or point guards for that matter, and his frame doesn't suggest that he won't get much stronger than he already his. So as long as he's your 2, they'll need a big point to guard opposing shooting guards which Baron did for the majority of the season. That alone, already makes this a poor defensive team. Unless Monta can play the point full time and they trade Baron, then matching max offers will be a mistake. Memphis is the team that seems most interested in Monta and their roughly $13M-$15M under the cap.


Monta's only going to be playing SG for only another year, he's the PG of the future.

Defense aside Diaw definitely doesn't make us a champioship contender.
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