MVP voting has become a joke

[magnax1]

this isn't new. its always been the same criteria

Not really. It used to be the best player who had a moderately good record. Now it's usually something like a top 10 player on a team that the media thinks shouldn't be as good as it is.

[SteveNashMVPcro]

MVP is a worthless award. Nash has as many as Kobe+Shaq put together.

If you want to know who the true best player is look at the Finals MVP. Not regular season.

MVP doesn't mean you are the best player in the league.It means you led a team to one of the top records in the league with good stats.IMHO MVP is the most valuable individual award a player can win.Afterall it means you one of the top players in the league (in 82 games not 4-7 like FMVP) and because your great play your team has one of the top.league revords
And lol@ saying FMVP means you are the best player in the league.It means you had the best stats in 4-7 games series

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Yeah... Rose has as many MVPs as Shaq. Nash has more.

Tells you how much you should read into the award really...

[Clippersfan86]

Not really. It used to be the best player who had a moderately good record. Now it's usually something like a top 10 player on a team that the media thinks shouldn't be as good as it is.

Exactly. It didn't used to ALWAYS be a top seed in the league or top 3 seed winning the MVP. It's BS. In recent years Nash and Rose are examples of that and they have taken a lot of heat as "weak" MVP's for this exact reason. MVP is most valuable player... not best player on team with biggest turn around or team with best record.

[Clippersfan86]

Yeah... Rose has as many MVPs as Shaq. Nash has more.

Tells you how much you should read into the award really...

Exactly. Still pisses me off man. The awards and all star games used to mean something. Now they are all garbage.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Noah,Deng and Boozer? Noah is all about hustle.Deng has been always inconsistent and Boozer is a guy even Bulls fans doesn't like. Also they had injuries all season.

Take out Rose and with all those injuries, they would be out off playoffs probably.

23 and 14 is great numbers but he should have Wilt like numbers to win MVP probably.MVP is given mostly best player on one of the best teams.

Don't get me wrong, i would prefer Howard on my team instead of Rose but team record is really important in MVP voting.And Bulls wasn't a team suppose to have best record in NBA.

If it was about giving an award to best player, Howard would have better chance than Rose for sure.

Don't know about that, they were the best defensive team in the league so even though they'd struggle to score, they'd be competitive.

Certainly much better than Orlando would be without Dwight, which is why Chicago won more. They were the 3rd best defensive team with him(most likely below average without him) and they were a pretty average offensive team with him, most likely, they'd be among the worst without him.

That's a huge luxury for an average defensive guard to have, playing with the best defensive team in the league.

I definitely think Howard is more valuable to Orlando(due to them relying on him so much at both ends) as well as being a superior player to Rose.

If not Howard, then I'd have been ok with Lebron as MVP or Dirk(Dallas won 55-18 with him, 2-7 without him and had the Butler injury as well)

[Smoke117]

Welcome to four months ago.

[Friday]

Which is why you gotta watch the games rather than just look at the accolades.

[Clippersfan86]

Don't know about that, they were the best defensive team in the league so even though they'd struggle to score, they'd be competitive.

Certainly much better than Orlando would be without Dwight, which is why Chicago won more. They were the 3rd best defensive team with him(most likely below average without him) and they were a pretty average offensive team with him, most likely, they'd be among the worst without him.

That's a huge luxury for an average defensive guard to have, playing with the best defensive team in the league.

I definitely think Howard is more valuable to Orlando(due to them relying on him so much at both ends) as well as being a superior player to Rose.

If not Howard, then I'd have been ok with Lebron as MVP or Dirk(Dallas won 55-18 with him, 2-7 without him and had the Butler injury as well)

. Exactly. Some Bulls fans are so hot and cold on this forum. They claim their team has great depth and all that when it's convenient.. but when defending Rose they make it seem like he's carrying a bad team. Noah when healthy is a top 7 center, Deng is maybe the 4th or 5th best overall SF in the game and Boozer is good for at least 17 and 10 or so. This year the guy freaking put up 17.5, 9.6 rpg, 2.5 apg on solid shooting numbers and PER 36 he's a 20 and 11 player. I understand he's a playoff choke and not a huge impact player... but that's a lot more talent than most teams have. Not to mention Taj Gibson was an excellent 6th man with good upside.

[Shepseskaf]

The award has progressively become a media creation, where members of the press collectively hype up a player during the season as being "deserving" -- and voila -- he wins the MVP.

The system suffered through wobbles in the past, with Malone and Barkley winning over Jordan, but completely went off the rails in 2005 with Nash over Shaq. The "voters" then compounded their mistake in the next year, and the award has never regained its prestige since.

[Miserio]

Remove D-Rose from the Bulls roster and they end up 1-81

[pauk]

MVP is a worthless award. Nash has as many as Kobe+Shaq put together.

If you want to know who the true best player is look at the Finals MVP. Not regular season.

nah... FMVP is even less worth....

MVP is at least battled by ALL players and ALL teams in about 82 games...

FMVP is battled by only 2 teams and about 10 players or so in about 4-7 games....

MVP is much harder to accomplish........ heck even POTM (player of the month trophy/award) is much harder to accomplish than FMVP.....

The player doesnt give a damn about the FMVP.... its the Championship he wants....

FMVP is basically just... "Well thank you for winning a Championship and we know u dont give a damn, but anyways here is something extra because u played best during these 4-7 games in your team"

Basically........ even JJ Barea could have won the FMVP right now if he produced a bit better than Dirk during those 4-7 games....

Even Pau Gasol was extremly close to take that FMVP from Kobe the last time.

Tony parker has won it over T.Duncan and so on...

4-7 Games is enough for your sidekick to maybe pile up better numbers than you...

[iamgine]

Isn't it voted by 100+ sportwriters and coaches?

Each of them having their own personal criteria.

[Pointguard]

Dwight Howard should of been the MVP this year and we all know it. Derrick Rose has turned into a superb player and a superstar but Dwight was the most valuable to his team. Dwight is probably the only superstar in the game where when you pull him out of games the defense and offense literally go to sh** right away.

Actually the team's offense played more confidently without him. When he was getting suspended those games his team played with verve they didn't have with him. In the playoffs when he had that near 50/20 game they lost convincingly. The only game the Magic dominated was when he went 1 for 4 in the field for a 8 point 8 rebound game and 1 block in 29 minutes.

DH made his case of MVP in Jan and Feb. if you forgive the game when Lebron came into his house and told the Magic he was going to wreck them because of their GM and then Lebron wrecked them in dramatic fashion. DH's team was a game and a half behind Chicago on March 1st. From March first on Lebron, Kobe, Wade, Rose and Dirk's teams all had made big moves and they all played better than him. The Magic had the easiest schedule and the four big games they had (Chicago, Miami, LA and Atlanta) DH had no impact, didn't look like a superstar and his game was overshadowed in them all. His big games were only against weak defensive teams.

DH has a serious detachment issue with his team. He's not even well integrated into the team. He can go for 50/20 and the team not be moved. 8/8 and they are playing over their heads. They play harder and more aware when he isn't in the game. He isn't their effective leader. Its almost like he plays outside of the box. It was very weird. The team didn't have a lot of time to get chemistry down so it isn't all his fault but it wasn't like he asserted himself in the big games either. He made no statements at all after March 1st and you aren't going to get the award sitting down, with your team sinking and others making bigger and stronger stands - not going to happen.

[Pointguard]

Don't know about that, they were the best defensive team in the league so even though they'd struggle to score, they'd be competitive.

Certainly much better than Orlando would be without Dwight, which is why Chicago won more. They were the 3rd best defensive team with him(most likely below average without him) and they were a pretty average offensive team with him, most likely, they'd be among the worst without him.

That's a huge luxury for an average defensive guard to have, playing with the best defensive team in the league.

I definitely think Howard is more valuable to Orlando(due to them relying on him so much at both ends) as well as being a superior player to Rose.

If not Howard, then I'd have been ok with Lebron as MVP or Dirk(Dallas won 55-18 with him, 2-7 without him and had the Butler injury as well)

As I mentioned above DH doesn't belong in the discussion. He flat out wasn't even playing hard when he was supposed to step up. Was weaker against the big boys during statement time as well. He's a great player that isn't even fully integrated into his team. He should also try playing great for more than half the season - that would help his cause as well. His leadership was garbage and he showed bad judgement at horrific times that cost his team three or four games when it counted most. Coach thought his judgement was so bad he didn't allow him to guard a rookie (DMC) in a critical game. There's only like three good centers in the whole game!

The Dallas 2-7 record without Dirk gets a little more attention than it should. They were on a road trip against 6 teams that beat them at home WITH Dirk! Plus they lost their number 2 scorer to further unbalance the team. Dirk too had a great year but savy vets, leaders, shooters, creators, a long time proven successful system and solid defense together wins you a lot of games.

What Rose did with a young team, a new coach, a new system, new players, hard injuries, no stars, no explosive players, no consistent shooter, not getting calls, and a serious lack of dribblers isn't matched by any of the others for MVP in terms of responsibility. The team reflected Derrick's calm: few techs and turning to him at the end of games. His leadership was just better than Wade's, Lebron's, Kobe's and Dirk's and it was taxed more because he lacked vets, continuity, and system experience. Derrick Rose held the elite down at his position unlike any other player in the MVP discussion. Derrick Rose made his team elite. Dirk is the only other one that could say that.

DH made his team a mystery. Lebron and DWade made their team a curiousity.