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Old 09-25-2017, 08:00 PM   #166
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The blue graphic is correct. The other is not. I can't imagine that 81% of white murder victims in San Francisco were killed by blacks. That's obviously fake.

Guess which one Trump retweeted to millions of people?
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Old 09-25-2017, 08:00 PM   #167
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Old 09-25-2017, 08:02 PM   #168
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And 70% of Americans.

You'd never know by watching the media, but Trump is taking the overwhelmingly popular position.

If you listen to the media, you'd swear that Trump is taking a super unpopular position. All these people in the media are part of the 30% on this one. Trump is part of the 70%.


Bullshit on 70%. 17% of people voted for trump...his hardcore base is somewhere around 15% of the total population. There's a reason all the owners, players,..hell the commisoner of the entire damn league went against trump. Money talks...if they thought supporting trump would net them a bigger share, it'd be done in a heartbeat.
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Old 09-25-2017, 08:06 PM   #169
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70%

There is no way you're that clueless

Maybe 7%
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Old 09-25-2017, 08:08 PM   #170
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Maybe 70% weren't feelin it when Kap started it or something. But most agree Trump is out of line here.
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Old 09-25-2017, 08:11 PM   #171
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I find it hard to believe you just think they're protesting right now over nothing other than "eff trump."

Let's break this down from top to bottom.

Colin Kapernick originally kneeled during the national anthem to protest failures of the justice system against minorities.

Meanwhile, Donald Trump during a campaign rally in Colorado said Kaepernick, by name, was the reason why the NFL ratings are down and went on to say he should find another country to live in.

After opting out of his contract with the 49ers, Kaepernick tried to find another team to play on. QBs with stats three times worse than Kaepernick's least productive season are being signed right now over him right now. Giants owner John Mara said in an interview he'd received a record amount of letters stating if players kneeled like Kaepernick did they'd never watch a game again.

Though Kaepernick is still not signed, several players still continue to kneel including Marshawn Lynch.

Trump calls players at another recent speech who kneel "Sons of Bitches" and demanded they be fired.

The President of the United States is effectively creating pressure on those who exercise their first amendment right to lose their job and be blackballed from the league.

The kneeling was in solidarity against both these things: failures of the justice system against minorities, and the President effectively attempting to punish freedom of speech through his diehard base.

Colin never outlined the actual justice system failures of the minorities. He just spouted out the one-liners. I doubt he's actually fully researched it.

The POTUS was out of line but don't act like there isn't a current culture where you can't give a conservative opinion without being demonized. Take a look at James Damore for instance.

That's really the hypocrisy here. I think the whining about Kaepernick not being signed is lame. You can have freedom of speech but not freedom of consequences. That's what liberals say all the time.
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Old 09-25-2017, 08:24 PM   #172
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Dale Hansen (Dallas Sports guy) just went ape shit on Trump pregame Cowboys and Hansen is a conservative who fought in Vietnam.

The entire reason US soldiers fight is so that the rest of us have the freedom to protest
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Old 09-25-2017, 08:26 PM   #173
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Bullshit on 70%. 17% of people voted for trump...his hardcore base is somewhere around 15% of the total population. There's a reason all the owners, players,..hell the commisoner of the entire damn league went against trump. Money talks...if they thought supporting trump would net them a bigger share, it'd be done in a heartbeat.

Absolutely.

No owner sided with Trump on this. Even Robert Kraft, 1 of Trump's closest friends, said he condemned what Trump said. He knows supporting Trump would hurt his bottom line more than help.

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“I am deeply disappointed by the tone of the comments made by the President on Friday,” Kraft said in a statement issued by the Patriots. “I am proud to be associated with so many players who make such tremendous contributions in positively impacting our communities. Their efforts, both on and off the field, help bring people together and make our community stronger. There is no greater unifier in this country than sports, and unfortunately, nothing more divisive than politics. I think our political leaders could learn a lot from the lessons of teamwork and the importance of working together toward a common goal. Our players are intelligent, thoughtful, and care deeply about our community and I support their right to peacefully affect social change and raise awareness in a manner that they feel is most impactful.”
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Old 09-25-2017, 08:29 PM   #174
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Colin never outlined the actual justice system failures of the minorities. He just spouted out the one-liners. I doubt he's actually fully researched it.

Wrong, Kaepernick has done multiple interviews outlining his explanation behind his protest AND the failures of the justice system.

http://www.espn.com/blog/san-francis...ational-anthem

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Are you concerned that this can be seen as a blanket indictment of law enforcement in general?

CK: There is police brutality. People of color have been targeted by police. So that’s a large part of it and they’re government officials. They are put in place by the government. So that’s something that this country has to change. There’s things we can do to hold them more accountable. Make those standards higher. You have people that practice law and are lawyers and go to school for eight years, but you can become a cop in six months and don’t have to have the same amount of training as a cosmetologist. That’s insane. Someone that’s holding a curling iron has more education and more training than people that have a gun and are going out on the street to protect us.

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The POTUS was out of line but don't act like there isn't a current culture where you can't give a conservative opinion without being demonized. Take a look at James Damore for instance.

Exactly what does opressed conservative voices in the current climate even have to do with this? Completely different conversation.

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That's really the hypocrisy here. I think the whining about Kaepernick not being signed is lame. You can have freedom of speech but not freedom of consequences. That's what liberals say all the time.

I agree that freedom of speech =/= freedom of consequence. But the President is clearly attempting to use the power of his platform to incite a private institution to "fire sons of bitches" while also pandering to his base.
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Old 09-25-2017, 08:43 PM   #175
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Bullshit on 70%. 17% of people voted for trump...his hardcore base is somewhere around 15% of the total population. There's a reason all the owners, players,..hell the commisoner of the entire damn league went against trump. Money talks...if they thought supporting trump would net them a bigger share, it'd be done in a heartbeat.
Your mistake is connecting Trump to it. I didn't say 70% support Trump. I said 70% don't like people disrespecting the flag.
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Old 09-25-2017, 08:47 PM   #176
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The whole point of the players protesting on the field is that they're using their platform, which millions watch to strongly get their message across.

But yeah, go protest in front of a courthouse or congress instead... don't be obtuse.

Yea i swear sometimes i wonder if this guy is just trolling or really that ignorant. Its obvious why they would chose to do it live before their game over going to the white house. With all the publicity and responses they get from the president himself they surely are doing something right.
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Old 09-25-2017, 08:57 PM   #177
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Jerry Jones & the Cowboys kneeled before the anthem and still got booed

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Old 09-25-2017, 08:59 PM   #178
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Wrong, Kaepernick has done multiple interviews outlining his explanation behind his protest AND the failures of the justice system.

http://www.espn.com/blog/san-francis...ational-anthem





Exactly what does opressed conservative voices in the current climate even have to do with this? Completely different conversation.



I agree that freedom of speech =/= freedom of consequence. But the President is clearly attempting to use the power of his platform to incite a private institution to "fire sons of bitches" while also pandering to his base.
That just shows how much of a moron CK is. You're citing Colin Kaepernick! Who actually takes this moron seriously? Nobody with any sense

He brings up police brutality and how they target blacks but completely neglects the fact that black people commit the vast majority of crimes in America.

Hello! If you're gonna ****ing speak up for an entire race, why not take accountability for that? Why ignore that?

Oh because he's a dipshit with 2 braincells and the media eats it up for ratings/money because race brings in the views

There's no serious race issues in America and a very small problem with police brutality yet you morons let the media control you with their bogus clickbaity stories and headlines

The media created whatever issues are present right now, and if people would just stop talking about this shit and move on then things would go a lot smoother. But that can't happen, because the average american just isn't a bright person with self-satisfying goals
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Old 09-26-2017, 03:55 AM   #179
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God damn Americans are retarded with this shit, but really NFL players (and sports stars in general), should understand better where their bread is buttered (and if they don't like it they should protest by doing something else, rather than accepting millions of $ for throwing/catching a ball and/or running around in pre-set formations on the one hand, and then protesting "the system" on the other, seeing as mass sports is a pretty central component of the modern system of political control). These mass sports are a cultish aspect of the American national religion and worship of the superficial, and this kind of blatant political propagandizing is only going to get it excised from the national religion, which is only going to hurt the NFL and the earning potential of its coming generations. Way to f*ck over the future, and ride the gravy train while tipping the thing over so the future stars can't profit as much you did: bravo!

So brave...
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Old 09-26-2017, 04:06 AM   #180
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Yea i swear sometimes i wonder if this guy is just trolling or really that ignorant. Its obvious why they would chose to do it live before their game over going to the white house. With all the publicity and responses they get from the president himself they surely are doing something right.
They have a platform for playing football, not for ignorant and vanity-driven "protests" against a system from which they're reaping enormous rewards and benefits. People don't pay them large amounts of money to be lectured from on high, quite the contrary (they are paid to perform a given skill, and for it to be broadcast publicly; there is nothing noble about that, and it is one of the signs of modernities sickness that it rewards such a low kind of occupation with status).

When did Americans get stupid enough to think playing some silly game for large wads of cash made a person a "role model" who needs to make idiotic shows of their political opinions, and have them broadcast far and wide for the sake of political propaganda purposes?

It is truly pathetic.
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