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Old 05-04-2018, 08:49 AM   #31
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Default Re: If you think Ben Simmons is more valuable than Embiid then you don't know basketball

Embiid dragging Simmons 1pt brick laying ass and almost getting the victory.
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Old 05-04-2018, 09:57 AM   #32
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Philly won like 16 games in a row basically because of Simmons They won a majority (9 games) without Embiid.

But for Simmons to live up to the crazy hype he's been given (the next Magic, ROY and it's not even close, etc.), he has to win games when it matters most. His lack of shooting means teams can scheme him during a series, either by switching the defenses he sees personally or by targeting the shooters around him, limiting his effectiveness. Oddly, he has said that last night was his own fault, and not due to anything the Cs did. REALLY?!? That's actually worse!

A 16 game win streak is a 16 game win streak no matter how you slice it, but in terms of showing us what Philly is capable of, it was mostly fools gold.

13 of the 16 wins were against teams that didn't make the playoffs, and 2 of the 3 teams that did make the playoffs were a 7th seed and an 8th seed. Further, 10 of the 16 wins were at home.

A top 4 team in its conference fighting for position should win home games against non playoff teams in late March/April. The one game the Sixers might not have been favored to win was against the Cavs, who have been wildly inconsistent all season. And it was by two points, at home.

Blazers also won a zillion games in a row toward the end of the season, and then it all fell apart. Not saying Philly will, but they certainly look overmatched by a team that is at far from full strength.
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Old 05-04-2018, 10:28 AM   #33
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Old 05-04-2018, 12:08 PM   #34
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But for Simmons to live up to the crazy hype he's been given (the next Magic, ROY and it's not even close, etc.), he has to win games when it matters most. His lack of shooting means teams can scheme him during a series, either by switching the defenses he sees personally or by targeting the shooters around him, limiting his effectiveness. Oddly, he has said that last night was his own fault, and not due to anything the Cs did. REALLY?!? That's actually worse!
He's a rookie, he is supposed to win the second on his shoulders? Why are you expecting him to instantly know Celtic brilliant defensive schemes? its evidence there that you think he's great.

The best player in the game the last 5 years or 10 years isnt a shooter. In fact his game resembles Simmons more than any other player. You overexaggerate the shooting reality. Curry is the best shooter I ever seen, yet in the playoffs teams teams have been successful in scheming against him than the great slashers. Also, its highly unlikely a great shooter ever carries a team much less a young one.

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A 16 game win streak is a 16 game win streak no matter how you slice it, but in terms of showing us what Philly is capable of, it was mostly fools gold.
not true. Getting young teams to win consistently with a major injury and be on the same page is rare in the history of the league. What was their longest win streak with Embiid?
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13 of the 16 wins were against teams that didn't make the playoffs, and 2 of t...

A top 4 team in its conference fighting for position should win home games against non playoff teams in late March/April. The one game the Sixers might not have been favored to win was against the Cavs, who have been wildly inconsistent all season. And it was by two points, at home.
Try to diminish the consistentency but young teams rarely ever finish this strong. A great majority of rookies hit a wall. They arent building a team winning streak without their supposed to be best player gone.
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Blazers also won a zillion games in a row toward the end of the season, and then it all fell apart. Not saying Philly will, but they certainly look overmatched by a team that is at far from full strength.
You think without Simmons they make the playoffs and win the first round? Its obvious that your expectations are the conference finals with him.
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Old 05-04-2018, 12:34 PM   #35
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Yet he lead his team to 9 wins in a row with an offense heavily relying on Embiid?

Simmons is like Jason Kidd in which he doesn't need to shoot to take control of the game. He controls the pace. Knows when to push the tempo, slow it down, and when to attack. It creates a controlled chaos which is hard to decipher defensively.

If you don't know that, then you don't know basketball.

And this is no slight on Embiid, but don't prop one up just to destroy the other. Both their values are immeasurable for us
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Old 05-04-2018, 12:35 PM   #36
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He's a rookie, he is supposed to win the second on his shoulders? Why are you expecting him to instantly know Celtic brilliant defensive schemes? its evidence there that you think he's great.

The best player in the game the last 5 years or 10 years isnt a shooter. In fact his game resembles Simmons more than any other player. You overexaggerate the shooting reality. Curry is the best shooter I ever seen, yet in the playoffs teams teams have been successful in scheming against him than the great slashers. Also, its highly unlikely a great shooter ever carries a team much less a young one.

not true. Getting young teams to win consistently with a major injury and be on the same page is rare in the history of the league. What was their longest win streak with Embiid?

Try to diminish the consistentency but young teams rarely ever finish this strong. A great majority of rookies hit a wall. They arent building a team winning streak without their supposed to be best player gone.

You think without Simmons they make the playoffs and win the first round? Its obvious that your expectations are the conference finals with him.
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Old 05-04-2018, 12:37 PM   #37
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Simmons is more valuable, since he runs the offense. You replace him with an average point guard and you have no chance of making the Finals (that's actually a lie, we're talking Eastern Conference here, so I wouldn't be surprised tbh). You replace Embiid with an average Center and they still have the chance right now. Sure, Embiid adds a lot to that team and makes them even better to a point where they can win a title in the future, but you don't win anything in today's NBA if you have Embiid with a bunch of above-average players, but you can win with Ben simmons and a bunch of 3-pt shooters. This ain't the 90s bro.
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Old 05-04-2018, 12:39 PM   #38
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Personally I'd take Simmons over Embiid. Just on the simple fact that big-men with the talent of Embiid that are that large simply don't last long historically int he NBA before a major injury. Coupled with the fact of his injury history already he's starting to get the made of glass label.

I don't know. Embiid is gifted no doubt, but the style of the NBA doesn't run offense through a big-man anymore like they used to. Successful teams find players who are long, athletic and quick like Simmons that can do multiple things. His hiccup obviously is his jumpshot. If he can't get a reliable jumpshot his ceiling is a lot lower.
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Old 05-04-2018, 12:41 PM   #39
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They won 8 in a row to end the season with just Embiid out. Brook Lopez is trash defensively thus he shouldn't be a starting Center in today's NBA. If you replaced Embiid with a decent defensive C who could finish lobs/putbacks and Simmons still had the shooters around him, they'd still be one of the favorites to come out the EC. Heck, they would have been up 2 - 0 on Miami if not for one of Wade's vintage performances that he has 1/10 games and Whiteside wasn't dominating them w/o Embiid either. 6 points and 10 rebounds in the first two games combined and barely getting on the court because he was so tragic and has health issues of his own.

I'm not saying that Embiid isn't an elite player and a superstar when healthy, all I'm saying is that Simmons is more valuable in today's NBA because of how the game is played. He's basically the next Magic/Lebron. You can't cover him 1 on 1, he's too big for any guard and you can't stick a big on him because he's going to get by him or he'll create an open shot for someone else inside.

Both players are awesome and deserve credit, I just think that Simmons will have the better career and will lead more teams to success than Embiid. That's not saying that Embiid couldn't be the Finals MVP on this team, he sure as hell could because he can put up Shaq numbers when motivated and healthy.
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Old 05-04-2018, 01:22 PM   #40
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Old 09-02-2018, 11:51 AM   #41
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Giannis is a 3 and Milwaukee is trying to play him all over and he's not there yet. He's not strong enough to bang with 4's. He's not skilled enough to be at the 1. He's a long rangy 3 and they have a logjam at that position with Middleton and Jabari.

Ben can literally play 1 full time and move to the 3. I trust him as a 4 more because of his strength.


You stupid mother ****er, Giannis has been playing the 4 all year, the dude is strong as shit, players ****ing bounce off him now. He played the 1 in his 3rd season. Sf his 4th and sg in his 2nd. He can it all. You're retarded
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