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Old 10-23-2013, 08:17 AM   #1
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Religion can't destroy Science. Why? Because they are dumber. Their assumptions don't hold up to truth. Truth is innate; we are born to know it since it is who we are; it is not founded on objectivity or facts; it is simply founded on access. There are smarter people who can see the truth better than those who can't. And those people are called "Philosophers."

These are the reasons why philosophers think those who abide by science are idiots:

1. They believe in facts.

Facts don't exist. For something to be a fact, it has to be true since the beginning of mankind and for infinity. Well if you look at history, truths change all the time: what we believe is true 100 years ago is wrong today. What we believe today to be true will be wrong 100 years from now. The closest we can come to a fact is in math, but even math is being challenged by different truths we are beginning to figure out.

2. They believe in materialism.

What is materialism? It is the belief in what you see, hear, touch, smell, and taste. Well everything is vibration and energy. If a scientist is to be honest, he would say the table he sees in front of him is nothing more than a bundle of energy. The sound he hears is just a vibration. Too bad he's too arrogant to admit this and proclaims it is indeed real based on what he sees. But a philosopher is at a higher level and admits it is the mind that turns the energy and vibration into reality, so therefore, reality is a product of the mind. Even Science is a product of the mind since the starting point of it's truths is based on a theory. But Scientist can't accept this since they are too stubborn to look beyond this concept.

3. Their methodology at arriving truth.

1. Observe
2. Hypothesis
3. Experiment
4. Conclusion

That is just a cliff note of the methodolgy but it's pretty stupid nonetheless. Why? Their premise is an observation. That in and of itself is subjective since what a person sees is totally different from what everybody else sees, so basically Science doesn't deal in objectivity and facts like they claim, but rather an intepretation of a person's view of reality. Not to mention, this methodology is created by John Stuart Mill and has been disproven as a methodology that does not yield any known truths (why do you think nothing great ever comes out of the public educational system that religiously practices this method of truth?).

4. Scientists can't come up with their own ideas and usually rip off ideas from philosophy and claim it as their own.

Einstein pretty much stole every idea Kant wrote on space and time; Newton is a Descartes hack; the list goes on: even psychology, sociology, the liberal arts, etc. are nothing more than a bunch of rip offs of sh*t philosophers have said hundreds of years ago. A scientist can't come up with their own original thought if their life depended on it.

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Old 10-23-2013, 08:18 AM   #2
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Alright, so just lets stop improving. Even tho philosophy is somewhat underrated.
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Old 10-23-2013, 08:32 AM   #3
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Alright, so just lets stop improving. Even tho philosophy is somewhat underrated.

Philosophy believes evolution is through the mind. Darwin conveniently ripped off Hegel and said it is due to survival. If it is due to survival, then why are we killing ourselves? Science is wrong. Hegel is right. The greatest ideas of all time is what drives evolution.

Many people are brainwashed to believe Science is what drives evolution, well let me ask you this, if the best ideas are being studied all came from Philosophy (and not to mention Science copy righted those ideas to drive their theories), then isn't it logical to assume the root of human advancement is from philosophy itself?

This is the reason why philosophy is underrated: those in power don't want people to see the value in it.
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Old 10-23-2013, 08:53 AM   #4
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One way trip back to the caves. All aboard!
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Old 10-23-2013, 08:58 AM   #5
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you must have really failed in life to create this psychopathic character that makes you think you are more enlightened than everyone else.
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Old 10-23-2013, 09:07 AM   #6
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These are the reasons why philosophers think those who abide by science are idiots:

1. They believe in facts.

Facts don't exist. For something to be a fact, it has to be true since the beginning of mankind and for infinity. Well if you look at history, truths change all the time: what we believe is true 100 years ago is wrong today. What we believe today to be true will be wrong 100 years from now. The closest we can come to a fact is in math, but even math is being challenged by different truths we are beginning to figure out.

Facts are pieces observed phenomena. Some observations are wrong, some become more accurate but they are accepted as true because it is practical.

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2. They believe in materialism.

What is materialism? It is the belief in what you see, hear, touch, smell, and taste. Well everything is vibration and energy. If a scientist is to be honest, he would say the table he sees in front of him is nothing more than a bundle of energy. The sound he hears is just a vibration. Too bad he's too arrogant to admit this and proclaims it is indeed real based on what he sees. But a philosopher is at a higher level and admits it is the mind that turns the energy and vibration into reality, so therefore, reality is a product of the mind. Even Science is a product of the mind since the starting point of it's truths is based on a theory. But Scientist can't accept this since they are too stubborn to look beyond this concept.

Again it is accepted because it is practical to do so. I'm not going to sit and ponder epistemology every time I decide to walk near a cliff edge, it is simply more practical to assume that it is wise to be cautious because the accepted fact of gravity is more that likely going to be in play.

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3. Their methodology at arriving truth.

1. Observe
2. Hypothesis
3. Experiment
4. Conclusion

That is just a cliff note of the methodolgy but it's pretty stupid nonetheless. Why? Their premise is an observation. That in and of itself is subjective since what a person sees is totally different from what everybody else sees, so basically Science doesn't deal in objectivity and facts like they claim, but rather an intepretation of a person's view of reality. Not to mention, this methodology is created by John Stuart Mill and has been disproven as a methodology that does not yield any known truths (why do you think nothing great ever comes out of the public educational system that religiously practices this method of truth?).

Science doesn't arrive at truth, it arrives at what is false or what is not yet been demonstrated to be false.

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4. Scientists can't come up with their own ideas and usually rip off ideas from philosophy and claim it as their own.

Einstein pretty much stole every idea Kant wrote on space and time; Newton is a Descartes hack; the list goes on: even psychology, sociology, the liberal arts, etc. are nothing more than a bunch of rip offs of sh*t philosophers have said hundreds of years ago. A scientist can't come up with their own original thought if their life depended on it.

Are you saying that Kant and Descartes were standing on no one elses shoulders?
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Old 10-23-2013, 09:58 AM   #7
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I find it rather funny that one of the dumbest posters on the whole board is the one posing as a wannabe philosopher and berating science.

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Old 10-23-2013, 10:16 AM   #8
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a scientist says A=A and confirms with calculations and measurements.

but a philosopher argues that A cannot equal A because A is only perception of the mind, imagination, or emotion, and A is not reality so it has no measurement and therefore cannot equate to anything, including replication of itself, because A cannot be proven to exist nor not to exist, nor subexist nor pre-exist; therefore A has no congruent value nor equation, which means it cannot equal A.

these methods of explaining things are why scientists are paid a lot of money and philosophers are paid nothing. lol
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Old 10-23-2013, 10:43 AM   #9
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I find it rather funny than one of the dumbest posters on the whole board is the one posing as a wannabe philosopher and berating science.
Exactly. Guy rips off relativity concepts, ideas that scientists commonly hold, and puts it off as philosophy. Kinda ironic isn't it?
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Old 10-23-2013, 11:04 AM   #10
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Because they are dumber.

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Old 10-23-2013, 12:05 PM   #11
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facts and truths are different things.
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Old 10-23-2013, 01:36 PM   #12
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Putting that philosophy major to use I see. Good job kid....lmao there are so many fallacies in your stupid little argument I don't even know where to begin.
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Old 10-23-2013, 01:56 PM   #13
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Science is simply tangible philosophy. I dont see what your beef is.
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Old 10-23-2013, 02:27 PM   #14
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Science is simply tangible philosophy. I dont see what your beef is.

Exactly.
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Old 10-23-2013, 02:29 PM   #15
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how many threads is OP going to make about him destroying a certain belief, but then proceeds to get destroyed by everyone else?
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