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Old 11-09-2018, 04:23 PM   #1
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Default The Leaks Begin: "Trump Played Central Role in Hush Payoffs" Per WSJ

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As a presidential candidate in August 2015, Donald Trump huddled with a longtime friend, media executive David Pecker, in his cluttered 26th floor Trump Tower office and made a request.

What can you do to help my campaign? he asked, according to people familiar with the meeting.

Mr. Pecker, chief executive of American Media Inc., offered to use his National Enquirer tabloid to buy the silence of women if they tried to publicize alleged sexual encounters with Mr. Trump.

That's problematic...

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Messrs. Pecker and Cohen signed a contract for the transfer of the McDougal story in late September. Mr. Cohen set up a shell company in Delaware for the transaction on Sept. 30.

The publisher would assign the rights to Ms. McDougal’s story to Mr. Cohen for $125,000—the value they put on Ms. McDougal’s agreement with American Media minus the magazine covers and fitness columns, the rights to which the publisher would retain.

Mr. Pecker called off the Trump-reimbursement deal in October 2016 on the advice of his lawyer. Accepting reimbursement from Mr. Trump, the executive worried, could undermine any argument that the McDougal payment was made for editorial and business reasons, rather than as an in-kind campaign contribution.

Mr. Pecker told Mr. Cohen to tear up the reimbursement agreement, but Mr. Cohen kept a copy. Federal agents found it in a search of Mr. Cohen’s office earlier this year.

Doubly problematic...

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Old 11-09-2018, 04:29 PM   #2
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The story shows what everybody should know. This is why you have lawyers. Peckerís lawyer told him itís not legal, so they didnít do it. Thatís what lawyers are for. Itís not on the client to know the law. Thatís why you hire a lawyer. Theyíre supposed to know how to handle things legally.

Total non-story.
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Old 11-09-2018, 04:34 PM   #3
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2 more years of this shit.

Hec, potential for 6.
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Old 11-09-2018, 04:42 PM   #4
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The story shows what everybody should know. This is why you have lawyers. Peckerís lawyer told him itís not legal, so they didnít do it. Thatís what lawyers are for. Itís not on the client to know the law. Thatís why you hire a lawyer. Theyíre supposed to know how to handle things legally.

Total non-story.

So the argument is that Donald Trump only broke the law because he had bad lawyers? So he shouldn't be held responsible for actions?
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Old 11-09-2018, 04:48 PM   #5
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So the argument is that Donald Trump only broke the law because he had bad lawyers? So he shouldn't be held responsible for actions?

the best people.

David Pecker, CEO of National Enquirer Publisher, Granted Immunity in Michael Cohen Case

Allen Weisselberg, Longtime Trump Organization CFO, Testified and Was Granted Immunity in Cohen Probe

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Old 11-09-2018, 04:51 PM   #6
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The story shows what everybody should know. This is why you have lawyers. Peckerís lawyer told him itís not legal, so they didnít do it. Thatís what lawyers are for. Itís not on the client to know the law. Thatís why you hire a lawyer. Theyíre supposed to know how to handle things legally.

Total non-story.

Trump specifically asked David Pecker how he could help his campaign. Pecker told him that AMI could keep a lookout for stories about Trump that involved alleged sexual encounters and would buy the silence of those women. A year later, Pecker ended up doing just that, ultimately agreeing to buy Karen McDougal's story and later sell it to Trump. On the advice of counsel, he reneged on the deal to sell the story to Trump because it would undermine any future denials that the purchase of the story was a business decision and not an attempt to help Trump's campaign by squashing the story.

Try again with the "total non-story." Apparently, both Cohen and Pecker are talking and acknowledging that the attempts to squash the stories were intended to benefit Trump's campaign... and that Trump was well aware.
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Old 11-09-2018, 05:00 PM   #7
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Doubly problematic...


triply bigly problematic...

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Michael Cohen and 'others' under grand jury investigation, federal prosecutors say

WASHINGTON - Federal prosecutors confirmed in a court filing Thursday that President Donald Trump's former attorney Michael Cohen and others are under scrutiny in an ongoing federal grand jury investigation.

Federal investigators said the probe is also examining "others" who were not named and might be unaware that they are part of the probe, the document filed in the Southern District of New York states.

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Prosecutors said releasing the documents could also "jeopardize the cooperation" of others involved in the investigation or in future probes.

"The disclosure would almost certainly result in a very public guessing game in which the media and members of the public attempted to guess the identities of the uncharged parties described in the materials Ė particularly [sic] the campaign finance portions," prosecutors argued in the filing. "This would leave those individuals in the unfair position of defending against speculation that they were or currently are under investigation."

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Old 11-09-2018, 05:03 PM   #8
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2 more years of this shit.

Hec, potential for 6.


These people do not care about the country.

Every single thing they do is related to vindicating themselves for telling everyone Trump was Hitler and that he'd ruin the country, and being wrong.

Their self image hangs in the balance. Their self worth is entirely invested in "stopping Orange Man, bc Orange Man is literally Hitler." They don't even know what it means anymore, they're just repeating it on a loop.

If they don't have a boogieman to fight, what do they have? Most of these people are the angry betas of society.


I'm not saying Trump didn't do anything wrong. He very well may have. That's what we have prosecutors and investigators for, and if he did they will mete out the necessary charges.

But the OBSESSION we see from people on this board (and across the country) is a fevered, mindless rage about someone they falsely choose to believe is the root of all their personal impotence.

Hating Trump has essentially become national group therapy for people who hate themselves. It's a really sad state of affairs.
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Old 11-09-2018, 05:08 PM   #9
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These people do not care about the country.

if you care about this country, then you care about the rule of law.

and no one is above the law, not even the royal family.

Trump reportedly directed Michael Cohen and Eric Trump to keep Stormy Daniels quiet

^stuff like that, that's that shit grand juries don't like.
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Old 11-09-2018, 05:14 PM   #10
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So the argument is that Donald Trump only broke the law because he had bad lawyers? So he shouldn't be held responsible for actions?
No, the argument is that he DIDNT break the law.

1. The deal never happened. It didnít happen because the lawyer said he didnít think itís legal. Thatís how this works.

Thatís why lawyers exist. Normal people donít know the ins and outs of the law. If the lawyers say itís kosher, you do it. If they say itís not, you donít do it.

2. Even if they did do the deal, itís not a crime if thereís no criminal intent. Again, this is why we have lawyers. If the lawyers say itís kosher and you do the deal, thereís no criminal intent there. Now, a court might undo the deal but the parties involved didnít commit a crime.

Somebody doesnít go to prison at the end of every court case. This happens everyday. There are millions of contract conflicts. When a contract is concluded to be unlawful, the side that loses isnít suddenly a criminal.

For example. Obama did DACA and DAPA. DAPA was ruled to be illegal. That didnít make Obama a criminal. His lawyers told him they thought it was legal. Turns out they were wrong but they werenít intending to break the law.


So again, simply considering a deal and then not doing it when the lawyer says donít do it isnít breaking the law. And if the lawyers approve it but itís latter ruled to be illegal, itís breaking the law but itís not criminal.
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Old 11-09-2018, 05:21 PM   #11
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if you care about this country, then you care about the rule of law.

and no one is above the law, not even the royal family.

Trump reportedly directed Michael Cohen and Eric Trump to keep Stormy Daniels quiet

^stuff like that, that's that shit grand juries don't like.


I don't follow this stuff but if there's any legitimate evidence worthy of being investigated, I fully support investigating it. But that's what we have prosecutors for. Lay people posting updates on such a comparatively inconsequential issue each day, SALIVATING at the idea of nailing Orange Man to the wall over a technicality... youre depressing the rest of us man. The way we see you guys behaving, all the bloodthirsty hive minding... it's too depressing. We can't take it.
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Old 11-09-2018, 05:25 PM   #12
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SALIVATING at the idea of nailing Orange Man to the wall over a technicality...



some of my best friends are orange.

and if by "technicality" you mean violations of federal criminal statutes, then yes this is all over a technicality.

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youre depressing the rest of us man. The way we see you guys behaving, all the bloodthirsty hive minding... it's too depressing. We can't take it.

we will make 'murrica great again one day. for real.
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Old 11-09-2018, 05:34 PM   #13
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some of my best friends are orange.

and if by "technicality" you mean violations of federal criminal statutes, then yes this is all over a technicality.



Of course that's what I mean. The guy was entering the most enormous global spotlight a person can be in, and he wanted to keep irrelevant details about his personal life out of the picture. That's something anyone would be inclined to do. It's hardly a malicious or sociopathic act in the least. It's akin to getting busted for pot somewhere that it's illegal. That'd be knowingly breaking the law. Does that make you a bad person? Most libs wouldn't think so. Why they care so much about this?

I understand it's against the law currently, so if he did it anyway then technically yes he would have broken the law. Do you really think this specific issue makes him a bad person? Or are you just clinging to this for some other reason? Whichever way you answer makes you look petty.


We could have general conversations far more productive, but the rabid jackals cannot release Orange Man from their jaws for one second. It's just so embarrassing.
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Old 11-09-2018, 05:42 PM   #14
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Do you really think this specific issue makes him a bad person?

do i think a dude raw dogging pornstars while his third wife was pregnant with his son and then conspiring with a tabloid and his 'fixer' and already born son to knowingly break federal campaign finance laws by attempting to hide a trail of hundreds of thousands in hush money makes said dude a bad person?

i'd have to meditate on this for a while.

do some serious soul searching.

i'll walk the desert for a while and then render a verdict.

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Old 11-09-2018, 05:45 PM   #15
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do i think a dude raw dogging pornstars while his third wife was pregnant with his son and then conspiring with a tabloid and his 'fixer' and already born son to knowingly break federal campaign finance laws by attempting to hide a trail of hundreds of thousands in hush money makes said dude a bad person?


Yah mon. That is my question.

If it wasn't illegal, what would your specific objection to it be?
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