if only the basketball hall of fame was as elite as the baseball HOF

[kennethgriffin]

then i could take it seriously

for instance

pau gasol is supposedly a lock for the hall of fame.

hes nearing the end of his career and he's only scored 15,000 points

only 4 reserve allstar selections

only 1 second team all nba

only 2 third team all nba's

his biggest success is

- 2 championships as 2nd best player ( with around 10+ less ppg than the #1 option on his team )

- 2 olympic silver medals

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compare this to a guy who can't make the baseball hall of fame even after 40 years and 15 votes before they gave up on him

1974 BBWAA (21.4%)
1975 BBWAA (19.3%)
1976 BBWAA (22.4%)
1977 BBWAA (21.4%)
1978 BBWAA (21.9%)
1979 BBWAA (29.4%)
1980 BBWAA (28.8%)
1981 BBWAA (23.4%)
1982 BBWAA (16.6%)
1983 BBWAA (18.4%)
1984 BBWAA (26.6%)
1985 BBWAA (32.4%)
1986 BBWAA (41.6%)
1987 BBWAA (42.6%)
1988 BBWAA (43.1%)


he's a 2 time MVP

he's a 3 time world champion

( was his teams best player for 2 of them. no award at the time )

so basically a 2 time world series MVP

4 time allstar

silver slugger

gold glove

homerun champion

2 time rbi champion

slugging% leader


oh yea... and he broke babe ruth's single season record for homeruns with 60. which is still technically the clean record since the only guys who passed him have admitted or been linked to steroids



the reason he's not in the hall of fame is because they say he didnt have a ton of great seasons..

well... neither has gasol... his prime was 2008-2010.. he choked his entire life before that. and fell off the map after that.

yet hes a lock..?


gasol > roger maris?

[Wavves]

His contribution to Spain's national team is what gets him over the line to the HoF.

I wouldn't say he is a lock, but he will get there in my opinion.

[kennethgriffin]

His contribution to Spain's national team is what gets him over the line to the HoF.

I wouldn't say he is a lock, but he will get there in my opinion.

but he never won an olympic gold medal


winning a few silvers really isnt an accomplishment...

so you're the best of the worst? yay lol

[Maga_1]

International career, that's why.

[Maga_1]

but he never won an olympic gold medal


winning a few silvers really isnt an accomplishment...

so you're the best of the worst? yay lol

So, most of the international players shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame?
Nice logic.

[Wavves]

but he never won an olympic gold medal


winning a few silvers really isnt an accomplishment...

so you're the best of the worst? yay lol

Do you think the Olympics is the only competition in the world?

[kennethgriffin]

[kennethgriffin]

Do you think the Olympics is the only competition in the world?

its the only one where either

a) the united states competes in

or

b) the united states sends their best players


all competition winners in which 95% of the worlds best players arnt in doesnt constitute as a legit accomplishment

[fiddy]

Take your meds

[Maga_1]

You know that the Hall of Fame it's not only about in court performances right? There's several others categories that you have to include to be inducted to that restricted group.

But oh well, coming for a Kobe a fan.. it's nothing that i wasn't expecting.

[Wavves]

its the only one where either

a) the united states competes in

or

b) the united states sends their best players


all competition winners in which 95% of the worlds best players arnt in doesnt constitute as a legit accomplishment

[Maga_1]

its the only one where either

a) the united states competes in

or

b) the united states sends their best players


all competition winners in which 95% of the worlds best players arnt in doesnt constitute as a legit accomplishment

World championships doesn't ring a bell to you right?

[Myth]

Step 1: Open Thread
Step 2: Notice OP
Step 3: Ponder how this is a thread glorifying Kobe
Step 4: Notice devaluing of Pau
Step 5: Exit thread
Step 6: Never return to the thread

[kennethgriffin]

International career, that's why.

its almost like a handicap or feminine way of acceptance into the hall of fame


if your even just in the nba. that pretty much guarantees you a spot on any national team outside of the united states

thats not an accomplishment


if the last pick of the nba draft was spanish. he'd find a way onto spains national team even if he never played a minute in the nba


so its not like gasols extensive playing time on a foreign national team is anything special

[Maga_1]

its almost like a handicap or feminine way of acceptance into the hall of fame


if your even just in the nba. that pretty much guarantees you a spot on any national team outside of the united states

thats not an accomplishment


if the last pick of the nba draft was spanish. he'd find a way onto spains national team even if he never played a minute in the nba


so its not like gasols extensive playing time on a foreign national team is anything special

I can see that you don't watch that international competitions besides USA games.
Pau has been for years selected to the Best 5 players in those competitions at the 5 position, anchoring Spain (with Navarro's help) to great performances for their country.

And yea guys like Slava Kravtsov, DJ Mbenga, Dan Gadzuric and other powerful players will be completely on the Hall of Fame poll just because they are foreigns who were in NBA rosters