What's the argument for LeBron NOT being the GOAT

[Stephonit]

Maybe in your deluded mind.

I guess that's why Curry has won more championships in Cleveland than LeBron! Hahahahahahaha!

[Lebron23]

I guess that's why Curry has won more championships in Cleveland than LeBron! Hahahahahahaha!

And zero finals mvp. Lakers are going to win the championship this year.

[Stephonit]

And zero finals mvp. Lakers are going to win the championship this year.

As if I care about the propaganda idiots in media spout. Their coronavirus opinions are dumb and their basketball opinions are dumb.

Even if the Lakers win, my previous statement still holds true.

[Lebron23]

As if I care about the propaganda idiots in media spout. Their coronavirus opinions are dumb and their basketball opinions are dumb.

Even if the Lakers win, my previous statement still holds true.

Curry had a better team than LeBron. LBJ is the superior basketball player. 2016 Finals was the only time both teams were evenly matchup. After Durant pulled one of the biggest B1tch move in nba history. It became a one sided finals.

[Stephonit]

Curry had a better team than LeBron. LBJ is the superior basketball player. 2016 Finals was the only time both teams were evenly matchup. After Durant pulled one of the biggest B1tch move in nba history. It became a one sided finals.

With Draymond Green suspended for a game and Bogut out for part of the fifth and the last two games in 2016. Sure whatever.

[Overdrive]

2016 Finals was the only time both teams were evenly matchup.

So you're saying it wasn't an underdog win, which basically is the criteria for you guys to crown Lebron GOAT?

[HoopsNY]

This is probably the greatest first post in ISH history.

Thank you. More to come!

[HoopsNY]

That was a terrible posts by 3ball. Jordan also played with Armstrong, Grant, Gervin, Grant, Stackhouse, Hughes, and Hamilton who were former all stars. And one of the best european of all time in Tony Kukoc. Charles Oakley, and Orlando Wooldridge.

I'm not 3ball. I'm new to the forum. Armstrong, Grant, Gervin, Stackhouse, Hughes, and Hamilton never made an All-Star team playing alongside Jordan. That is the important take away from all of this. In addition, of the names you mentioned, only George Gervin was a Hall of Famer. And Gervin played one season with Chicago, the season that Mike missed almost the entire season. In that year, he averaged 16 ppg, a full 10 ppg lower than his career average up to that point.

Toni Kukoc was not an All-Star with Mike. He was a great role player and a sixth man, but if I had to start listing role players and their accomplishments for the other guys, then the list for Russell, Magic, Bird, Wilt, Kareem, and Lebron would be much longer. Consider I didn't even mention guys like Michael Cooper (DPOY) or Bill Walton ('85-'86 sixth man of the year).

So the point still remains, Jordan played with one all-star in his entire career. The other greats played with many, and most of them are Hall of Famers. I don't think guys like Oakley, Woolridge, Grant, or Hughes can compare to Elgin Baylor, Kyrie Irving, Kevin McHale, Oscar Robertson, Jerry West, Bob Cousy, Dwayne Wade, etc. I mean, you're not trying to claim that, are you?

[TheImmortal]

And zero finals mvp. Lakers are going to win the championship this year.

How do you expect LeBron to do that with no season and clearly not the favorites? Giannis should be MVP and Clippers would've been champs according to most experts.

[Da_Realist]

The LeBron hype will die down when this Bulls documentary comes out. Like an Acura pulling up next to a Benz. You see the difference.

[Pushxx]

I would take MJ over LeBron if I were starting a team. MJ is the GOAT imo

[DoctorP]

due to him being an inferior player, LeBron not the goat

[HakeemAlHilm]

JJ Barea didn't outplay anyone first of all.

And second of all Lebron was statistically better than Jet that series but Jet was a better scorer.

I think Jet was overall the best player in that series from games 4-6

[sdot_thadon]

The strongest argument for him to not be goat is he's playing his career at a time where he faces more judgment and scrutiny than any other great before him has. Mj, Bird, Magic etc were never bashed or diminished for some of the ridiculous shit you'll hear people yell at the moon about Lebron. In a strange way it actually strengthens his argument, that he's graded on a curve no one else ever has been. Not even Mike.

[DoctorP]

The strongest argument for him to not be goat is he's playing his career at a time where he faces more judgment and scrutiny than any other great before him has. Mj, Bird, Magic etc were never bashed or diminished for some of the ridiculous shit you'll hear people yell at the moon about Lebron. In a strange way it actually strengthens his argument, that he's graded on a curve no one else ever has been. Not even Mike.

sounds like Trump in many ways but LeBron is a saint and has done little wrong except for leaving CLeveland in the dust once. he's faced little scrutiny about his personal behavior and has a prestine reputation

Kobe had it much worse. he was crucified in a much worse way.