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    Default 5 of any 1997 top 50 player - their LAST season, round out with D-Leaguers:

    Can you start a franchise with 5 basically old and past-prime versions of NBA legends and win an NBA title with D-Leaguers rounding out the roster?

    5 from the pool of 50 greatests, but the stipulation is it has to be their last season. So your options look like 1978 John Havlicek. 2002 Michael Jordan. 1973 Wilt Chamberlain. etc so the objective for building becomes not just talent, but how much gas you think is left in their tank.

    If you don't think you can do it in 5, add a 6th man from the list:

    Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
    Nate Archibald
    Paul Arizin
    Charles Barkley
    Rick Barry
    Elgin Baylor
    Dave Bing
    Larry Bird
    Wilt Chamberlain
    Bob Cousy
    Dave Cowens
    Billy Cunningham
    Dave DeBusschere
    Clyde Drexler
    Julius Erving
    Patrick Ewing
    Walt Frazier
    George Gervin
    Hal Greer
    John Havlicek
    Elvin Hayes
    Magic Johnson
    Sam Jones
    Michael Jordan
    Jerry Lucas
    Karl Malone
    Moses Malone
    Pete Maravich
    Kevin McHale
    George Mikan
    Earl Monroe
    Hakeem Olajuwon
    Shaquille O'Neal
    Robert Parish
    Bob Pettit
    Scottie Pippen
    Willis Reed
    Oscar Robertson
    David Robinson
    Bill Russell
    Dolph Schayes
    Bill Sharman
    John Stockton
    Isiah Thomas
    Nate Thurmond
    Wes Unseld
    Bill Walton
    Jerry West
    Lenny Wilkens
    James Worthy

    They'll be going up against all the teams this next NBA season.

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    Default Re: 5 of any 1997 top 50 player - their LAST season, round out with D-Leaguers:

    I don't see Malone on your list, but I bet he could still bang.

    Probably Rodman too.

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    Default Re: 5 of any 1997 top 50 player - their LAST season, round out with D-Leaguers:

    Quote Originally Posted by UK2K
    I don't see Malone on your list, but I bet he could still bang.

    Probably Rodman too.
    1997 50 greatest's only... Malone is on the list, both of them (Karl and Moses)

    Rodman is not.

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    Default Re: 5 of any 1997 top 50 player - their LAST season, round out with D-Leaguers:

    No chance. This is a young man's game, especially the NBA with its off the charts athleticism. Legends retire for a reason: they can no longer compete at a high level or can't play at all. The game becomes too fast and too explosive for them at a certain point and their old legs simply can't keep up.

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    Default Re: 5 of any 1997 top 50 player - their LAST season, round out with D-Leaguers:

    Quote Originally Posted by ClipperRevival
    No chance. This is a young man's game, especially the NBA with its off the charts athleticism. Legends retire for a reason: they can no longer compete at a high level or can't play at all. The game becomes too fast and too explosive for them at a certain point and their old legs simply can't keep up.
    Many of the people on that list could, and did keep up, and then some, their final season. Wilt and Russell their final seasons were still in MVP races.

    36 y/o Wilt Chamberlain - was still finishing high in MVP voting/setting records
    34 y/o Bill Russell - was still finishing high in MVP voting
    35 y/o Rick Barry - claims had plenty left in the tank
    39 y/o Michael Jordan - could still play effective minutes as a 2 or 3
    35 y/o Jerry West - claims had plenty left in the tank

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    32 y/o Pete Maravich - also appears to have had plenty left in the tank

    I think a roster like that could do some damage, the interior defense would be insane, and the perimeter guys were still capable scorers and MJ and West were still solid backcourt defensive players even in their last years.

    The collective IQ on the team would be off the charts. The only question would be could they gel in one season, and could they stay healthy. And is there enough talent to make up for the D-Leaguers they'll be forced to play with for stretches of games.

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    Default Re: 5 of any 1997 top 50 player - their LAST season, round out with D-Leaguers:

    Quote Originally Posted by CavaliersFTW
    Many of the people on that list could, and did keep up, and then some, their final season. Wilt and Russell their final seasons were still in MVP races.

    36 y/o Wilt Chamberlain - was still finishing high in MVP voting/setting records
    34 y/o Bill Russell - was still finishing high in MVP voting
    35 y/o Rick Barry - claims had plenty left in the tank
    39 y/o Michael Jordan - could still play effective minutes as a 2 or 3
    35 y/o Jerry West - claims had plenty left in the tank

    6th
    32 y/o Pete Maravich - also appears to have had plenty left in the tank

    I think a roster like that could do some damage, the interior defense would be insane, and the perimeter guys were still capable scorers and MJ and West were still solid backcourt defensive players even in their last years.

    The collective IQ on the team would be off the charts. The only question would be could they gel in one season, and could they stay healthy. And is there enough talent to make up for the D-Leaguers they'll be forced to play with for stretches of games.
    It's still a young man's game. The NBA is just too athletic and the pace too much for a team full to mid to late 30 year olds to win it all, even if it's all time greats. The endurance and stamina required to play for 82 games and 4 more playoff rounds is too much for them. But who knows, it's just a hypothetical scenario.

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    Default Re: 5 of any 1997 top 50 player - their LAST season, round out with D-Leaguers:

    Quote Originally Posted by ClipperRevival
    It's still a young man's game. The NBA is just too athletic and the pace too much for a team full to mid to late 30 year olds to win it all, even if it's all time greats. The endurance and stamina required to play for 82 games and 4 more playoff rounds is too much for them. But who knows, it's just a hypothetical scenario.
    Chamberlain played 43.2 mpg in his last season, and led the NBA in rpg, shot an all-time record from the field, came in 4th in the MVP voting, and was voted first-team all-defense.

    Then, in his 17 post-season games, he averaged 47.2 mpg, grabbed 22.5 rpg, and led his team to the Finals. In his very last game he scored 23 points, and pulled down 21 rebounds.

    He had LEGITIMATE offers in his 40's, and even at age 50.

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    Default Re: 5 of any 1997 top 50 player - their LAST season, round out with D-Leaguers:

    Would get destroyed in the regular season. But they can probably squeeze out a solid playoff run before breaking down.

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    Default Re: 5 of any 1997 top 50 player - their LAST season, round out with D-Leaguers:

    Quote Originally Posted by LAZERUSS
    Chamberlain played 43.2 mpg in his last season, and led the NBA in rpg, shot an all-time record from the field, came in 4th in the MVP voting, and was voted first-team all-defense.

    Then, in his 17 post-season games, he averaged 47.2 mpg, grabbed 22.5 rpg, and led his team to the Finals. In his very last game he scored 23 points, and pulled down 21 rebounds.

    He had LEGITIMATE offers in his 40's, and even at age 50.
    Impressive. I guess he would be the best player of the group followed by 39 year old MJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClipperRevival
    Impressive. I guess he would be the best player of the group followed by 39 year old MJ.
    Not sure how far he would take a group of D-Leaguers, though.

    Although he carried similar rosters in the first half of his career. His '63 and '64 rosters were just awful.

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    Default Re: 5 of any 1997 top 50 player - their LAST season, round out with D-Leaguers:

    I'd pair Chamberlain and Russell in the front court and run a slow down, Memphis style offense. Add in Larry Bird as basically a 3 point specialist to spread the floor. Bring John Stockton and David Robinson off the bench to give some stability to some of the young guys running with the second unit.

    C-Chamberlain/Sim Bhullar
    PF-Russell/David Robinson
    SF-Bird/Thanasis Antekoumpo
    SG-Seth Curry/Glen Rice Jr.
    PG-Russ Smith/John Stockton

    Strikes me as a 4/5 seed given that Chamberlain and Russell could still bring it in their twilight years and I like Bird as a Dirk type threat on the outside. The guards obviously worry me but Smith can take some pressure off the shooters with his speed. With Curry, Rice and Bird you've got guys who can spread the floor as well.

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    Default Re: 5 of any 1997 top 50 player - their LAST season, round out with D-Leaguers:

    Too bad Magic didn't stay retired after 1991 or he'd be a lock in this kind of list.

    Anyway:

    Wilt
    Pettit or Karl Malone
    Havlicek
    Jordan
    Stockton


    Pettit had 23/12 on 35 mins a game, only 32 when he retired. Wilt's final season: 13/19 on 43 mins/game. Stockton played all 82 games in his last season albeit with only 28 mins a game. Havlicek played all 82 as well at 34 mins a game with 16/4/4.

    ..

    This team would have to rely a lot on Wilt altering shots in the paint and rebounding. You might also have to stagger this lineup so that one of Stockton and Jordan are on the court at all times since Stock didn't play more than 31 minutes in his final 6 seasons. This team has to be the slowest in the league also. Their half court offense might have some trouble since there's not much spacing apart from Stock, though. Lots of mid-range jumpers from Malone, Jordan and Hondo. Absolutely must avoid teams like GS, OKC and possible HOU as well.

    All they need to do is sneak into the playoffs and their experience might take them to the CF, though. What they need in D-leaguers are hustle guys for offensive boards, quick guys to keep up with PGs and 3 point shooters.

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