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Old 04-11-2009, 01:49 AM   #46
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DON finds it hilarious some think Petrovic was better than Nowitzki. Nowitzki has become very underrated on these forums.

I don't understand it either. Petrovic was good, an All-Star player, but Dirk is Superstar status.
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Old 04-11-2009, 01:53 AM   #47
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Best European players ever are Galis and Petrovic, NOT Dirk.
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Old 04-11-2009, 01:56 AM   #48
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I don't understand it either. Petrovic was good, an All-Star player, but Dirk is Superstar status.


If anyone is underrated, it is mid-20s Arvydas Sabonis. 7'3", great passer(perhaps even better than some PG's), good outside shooter, great footwork, and excellent post game.


Edit- I meant to quote DON

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Old 04-11-2009, 01:57 AM   #49
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I don't understand it either. Petrovic was good, an All-Star player, but Dirk is Superstar status.
Right now it is just because Dirk plays today. If Nowitzki played in the 90s and Petrovic today, no one would dare compare Petrovic to Nowitzki. Most people are slow.
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Old 04-11-2009, 01:58 AM   #50
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If anyone is underrated, it is mid-20s Arvydas Sabonis. 7'3", great passer(perhaps even better than some PG's), good outside shooter, great footwork, and excellent post game.
Right, Sabonis is the only other European player that should be in this discussion.
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Old 04-11-2009, 02:03 AM   #51
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Right, Sabonis is the only other European player that should be in this discussion.

WRONG.

Both Galis and Petrovic were better than Dirk and Sabonis. This thread isn't titled "Dirk Nowitzki greatest European NBA player in history?", this thread is titled "Dirk Nowitzki greatest European player in history?"

He is NOT the greatest European player in history and neither is Sabonis.
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Old 04-11-2009, 05:12 AM   #52
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WRONG.

Both Galis and Petrovic were better than Dirk and Sabonis. This thread isn't titled "Dirk Nowitzki greatest European NBA player in history?", this thread is titled "Dirk Nowitzki greatest European player in history?"

He is NOT the greatest European player in history and neither is Sabonis.
Drazen Petrovic by a country mile. people who think Dirk is better never saw Petrovic play in europe,they are only judging what he did in the NBA,which is not fair on him as Portland wasted him on the bench and when he started to play his usual game at the nets he had that tragic accident.
Honestly Dirk is a great player but nowhere near as good as Petrovic was.
Sabonis a true legend too. Gallis,great player but slightly behind the others mentioned.
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Old 04-11-2009, 06:23 AM   #53
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As mentioned only Dirk and Sabonis are in the same league.

Galis and Petrovic aren't top tier.
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Old 04-11-2009, 06:47 AM   #54
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Drazen Petrovic by a country mile. people who think Dirk is better never saw Petrovic play in europe,they are only judging what he did in the NBA,which is not fair on him as Portland wasted him on the bench and when he started to play his usual game at the nets he had that tragic accident.
Honestly Dirk is a great player but nowhere near as good as Petrovic was.
Sabonis a true legend too. Gallis,great player but slightly behind the others mentioned.

Adelman used Petrovic to get a full-ass effort out of Terry Porter and Clyde Drexler. Petrovic was used but not in a way he liked. I would even say if Petrovic plays in today's euroleague he wouldn't nearly be as good.

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Old 04-11-2009, 11:04 AM   #55
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Apples to apples: same age, similar minutes, and similar competition

Dirk at 27: 26.6 PPG, 9.0 RPG, 2.8 APG, 1.0 BPG, 28.1 PER
Dirk at 28: 24.6 PPG, 9.0 RPG, 3.4 APG, 0.8 BPG, 27.6 PER

Petro at 27: 20.6 PPG, 3.1 RPG, 3.1 APG, 0.1 BPG, 15.8 PER
Petro at 28: 22.3 PPG, 2.7 RPG, 3.5 APG, 0.2 BPG, 17.3 PER

bububububu you didn't watch Petrovic outside the NBA.
Well, have people watched Dirk outside of the NBA?

Dirk's international career hasn't been bad:
2001 Euros: 28.7 points and 9.1 rebounds (led both categories)
2002 World Championships: MVP
2005 FIBA European Championships: MVP, leading in scoring and blocks; second in rebounds
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Drazen Petrovic by a country mile. people who think Dirk is better never saw Petrovic play in europe,they are only judging what he did in the NBA,which is not fair on him as Portland wasted him on the bench and when he started to play his usual game at the nets he had that tragic accident.
Honestly Dirk is a great player but nowhere near as good as Petrovic was.
Sabonis a true legend too. Gallis,great player but slightly behind the others mentioned.

No, Galis was better than Sabonis and Dirk. You must not have seen him play to think otherwise. He single handed beat Soviet Union twice during their peak. He was clearly outplaying Petrovic back in that day as well but Petrovic wasn't in his prime and Galis was.

Even players like Bob McAdoo and Belov said he was the best. McAdoo put him better than Bird or Magic even. And even Drazen's own brother and Drazen himself said Galis was better than Drazen.

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Old 04-11-2009, 01:58 PM   #57
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As mentioned only Dirk and Sabonis are in the same league.

Galis and Petrovic aren't top tier.

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Old 04-11-2009, 01:59 PM   #58
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Adelman used Petrovic to get a full-ass effort out of Terry Porter and Clyde Drexler. Petrovic was used but not in a way he liked. I would even say if Petrovic plays in today's euroleague he wouldn't nearly be as good.

Of course not. Because the league is much better. But Dirk would never put those kind of NBA stats in the Euroleague either.
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Old 04-11-2009, 02:01 PM   #59
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Apples to apples: same age, similar minutes, and similar competition

Dirk at 27: 26.6 PPG, 9.0 RPG, 2.8 APG, 1.0 BPG, 28.1 PER
Dirk at 28: 24.6 PPG, 9.0 RPG, 3.4 APG, 0.8 BPG, 27.6 PER

Petro at 27: 20.6 PPG, 3.1 RPG, 3.1 APG, 0.1 BPG, 15.8 PER
Petro at 28: 22.3 PPG, 2.7 RPG, 3.5 APG, 0.2 BPG, 17.3 PER

bububububu you didn't watch Petrovic outside the NBA.
Well, have people watched Dirk outside of the NBA?

Dirk's international career hasn't been bad:
2001 Euros: 28.7 points and 9.1 rebounds (led both categories)
2002 World Championships: MVP
2005 FIBA European Championships: MVP, leading in scoring and blocks; second in rebounds

Those MVPs are not legit IMO. Those were given to him because of his hype from the NBA. He should not have gotten either MVP. Dirk is a great player of course. He's the best European in the NBA, but that's different than best European player. That's a whole different situation.
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Old 04-11-2009, 04:00 PM   #60
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Those MVPs are not legit IMO. Those were given to him because of his hype from the NBA.

So leading the tournaments in scoring while leading a bad team to medals had nothing to do with it?!

It was the hype
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