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Old 09-05-2013, 02:30 AM   #61
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LeBron is a different type of player, he's 6'9 and like 50 pounds heavier.

It's like comparing a Hummer SUV to a Lamborghini, they both have their strengths and weaknesses, but they're really not the same thing.
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LeBron is a different type of player, he's 6'9 and like 50 pounds heavier.

It's like comparing a Hummer SUV to a Lamborghini, they both have their strengths and weaknesses, but they're really not the same thing.
Yet the Lamborghini is worth more.
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Old 09-05-2013, 03:20 AM   #63
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No, LeBron's first step has never been very impressive. Pre 2011 he was a lot quicker and explosive though.

MJ is more than likely staying in front of LeBron than the other way around. Hell, 34 year old decrepit Kobe who can't move laterally locked him up in the ASG.

Even at his quickest, LeBron's first step isn't on MJ / Wade / Kobe / Iverson level. He's more likely to rise or body you off him with his frame. Even then MJ still has the strength to compete.

I saw in 2011 LeBron's inability to blow by at times Omar Asik, Marion, Kidd and Taj Gibson. Couldn't even body Kidd or JJ Barrea. Then recently Boris Diaw, Kawhi Leonard.


While agree lebron's first step was never in the Wade/Jordan level, you have to remember Lebron is much bigger/heavier than either (wtf @ the Iverson comparison ) of those players so it shouldn't be be expected. Younger/slimmer Lebron had a great first step when you factor in his size. These are quick and powerful firstep baseline drives

LeBron baseline dunk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n09eNvJnf8

LeBron James : A Monster Reverse Slam vs NYC (01.08.2005)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2rbUEvV_d0

Lebron James MONSTER Dunk On the Mavericks 03-01-2007

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqD-JoDgKao
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Old 09-05-2013, 11:23 AM   #64
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Another thing I've noticed is that he was a lot slicker off the ball than most of the other great SGs like Kobe and Wade. His defender was usually on skates whenever he caught the ball, and the defense wasn't settled enough to send a double right away. He was often playing one on one with a one-beat edge.

It wasn't this iso-ball; not nearly as much. MJ was much more likely to catch the ball in scoring position and immediately do something with it than Lebron, Wade, Kobe, T-Mac.

This isn't to say Jordan wouldn't dominate the ball or have his iso moments, or that Kobe's never run off a screen; but overal Jordan did much more to make the game easy for himself (easier than it already was) than his (less-talented) rivals did/do.

reminds me of an interview with an ex bulls player talking about jordan's game(think it was grant). how he did very little wasted movement. players today will do fancy dribbles, juke this way and that, go between the legs, etc. before fully engaging in an actual scoring move. when jordan catches the ball, he quickly decides what he wants to do. one dribble, pull up. one dribble, two long strides and lays it in. pump fake, one dribble, gets to the paint for a high pct shot.
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Old 09-05-2013, 11:58 AM   #65
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reminds me of an interview with an ex bulls player talking about jordan's game(think it was grant). how he did very little wasted movement. players today will do fancy dribbles, juke this way and that, go between the legs, etc. before fully engaging in an actual scoring move. when jordan catches the ball, he quickly decides what he wants to do. one dribble, pull up. one dribble, two long strides and lays it in. pump fake, one dribble, gets to the paint for a high pct shot.

The and-1 movement. Gives the defense time to setup and react to you while you put on a dribbling exhibition. As you describe Jordan was quick-strike, always having the defense on its heels.
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While agree lebron's first step was never in the Wade/Jordan level, you have to remember Lebron is much bigger/heavier than either (wtf @ the Iverson comparison ) of those players so it shouldn't be be expected. Younger/slimmer Lebron had a great first step when you factor in his size. These are quick and powerful firstep baseline drives

LeBron baseline dunk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n09eNvJnf8

LeBron James : A Monster Reverse Slam vs NYC (01.08.2005)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2rbUEvV_d0

Lebron James MONSTER Dunk On the Mavericks 03-01-2007

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqD-JoDgKao

LEBRON'S COMPETITION IS WEAK,NO CENTER WILL CHALLENGE HIS DUNK LIKE ZO DID BEFORE NOWADAYS CENTER JUST KNOW LET HIM DUNK RATHER THAN CHALLENGE HIM
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Gordon Hayward with his handles, shooting, passing, rebounding, would have been Larry Bird type of player if he played in the 80s. Real talk


LEBRON PLAYS IN A ERA WITH ZERO QUAILTY CENTERS
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I am not sure if you are serious... even if Jordan manages to hang on he will be way to overpowered by Lebrons size/strength for anything else to matter, hell he wont even need to blow by him, just back him down like a ragdoll.... see Jordan guarding Magic in 91 Finals to understand... Lebron is no Hakeem in the post, but his strength/size/athleticism is just way to much for any SF, especially a god damn 6'5-190 SG.... would be like backing down your little brother....

The outcome of a Lebron vs Jordan 1 on 1 matchup is an impossible tale to foretell, both have advantages.... thats all.... lets not derail the thread to much.

LBJ PLAYS IN A WEAKER ERA AND PROTECT DAVID STERN WITH THOSE UNCALLED TRAVELLED & OFFENSIVE FOUL

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