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Old 09-08-2007, 10:17 PM   #46
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PG

1. Jason Kidd
2. Steve Nash
3. Chauncey Billups
4. Chris Paul
5. Deron Williams

SG

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Tracy McGrady
3. Dwyane Wade
4. Joe Johnson
5. Vince Carter

SF

1. LeBron James
2. Carmelo Anthony
3. Paul Pierce
4. Shawn Marion
5. Josh Howard

PF

1. Tim Duncan
2. Dirk Nowitzki
3. Kevin Garnett
4. Elton Brand
5. Chris Bosh

CT

1. Amare Stoudemire
2. Yao Ming
3. Dwight Howard
4. Shaquille O'Neal
5. Marcus Camby
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Old 09-08-2007, 10:18 PM   #47
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Garnett is better than Dirk in every single way.

Have you watched the league in the last 3 or 4 years? Doesn't seem like you have.
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Old 09-08-2007, 10:22 PM   #48
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Have you watched the league in the last 3 or 4 years? Doesn't seem like you have.
The only thing Dirk is better than Garnett at is shooting. Defense, stealing, blocking, rebounding, passing, Garnett is better.
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Old 09-08-2007, 10:25 PM   #49
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The only thing Dirk is better than Garnett at is shooting. Defense, stealing, blocking, rebounding, passing, Garnett is better.
Garnett is not better at stealing or passing and he's not a better defensive rebounder either.
If he doesn't make the Finals this year it shows Pippen is right to say he is the most overrated player of all time
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Garnett is not better at stealing or passing and he's not a better defensive rebounder either.
If he doesn't make the Finals this year it shows Pippen is right to say he is the most overrated player of all time
did Pippen really say that?

wow

you know, now that I think about it, Dirk does own Garnett every time they play each other.
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did Pippen really say that?

wow

you know, now that I think about it, Dirk does own Garnett every time they play each other.

Yes he did. It was when Pippen was an analyst for ABC, he said matter of factly that Garnett is the most overrated player in NBA history.
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Old 09-09-2007, 12:10 AM   #52
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Garnett is not better at stealing or passing and he's not a better defensive rebounder either.
If he doesn't make the Finals this year it shows Pippen is right to say he is the most overrated player of all time
Garnett has the intentional mindset as one of his first options to create for others. He's not a heavy duty scorer that brings 35/13 every other game. He's a 22/13/6 player. Dirk is a 25/9/3 player. Dirk's never been as high on assists as Garnett.

Dirk's Highest Total Assists: 263
Garnett's Highest Total Assists: 495

Dirk's Highest Assist Average: 3.4
Garnett's Highest Assist Average: 6.0

Plus the fact that Garnett is considered to be the best passing big man with Duncan for the most part. Garnett is very unselfish and finds open players out of the post very well.

As for stealing. Garnett's highest SPG average is 1.7. Dirk's is 1.4. Garnett's highest steals total is 139. Dirk's is 111, and that was the only year he was ever in triple digits for total steals in his entire career. Garnett has had triple digit total steals 8 times, and his lowest total steals in a season is 78. Dirk's is 52. And since numbers is the only way to determine steals, besides their defensive awareness, which is another thing Garnett is better than Dirk at, it's pretty safe to say Garnett is the better stealer.

Not a better defensive rebounder? Have you just started following basketball like last month? Garnett is the best rebounder in the league.

Dirk's 2006-07 Defensive Boards: 571 (8)
Garnett's 2006-2007 Defensive Boards: 792 (1)

Garnett led the league in defensive boards this year. Oh, and not just this year. He's led the league for 5 straight years and counting. He's a rebounding machine. I can't believe anybody would even say Dirk has a case for being as good of a rebounder as Garnett. Dirk hasn't even averaged double digit boards ever in his career, while Garnett has averaged 13.9. Dirk's rebounding titles? None. Garnett's? 4, and one in 2nd place. Dirk doesn't hold a candle to Garnett's rebounding ability, that's silly.
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Old 09-09-2007, 12:20 AM   #53
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did Pippen really say that?

wow

you know, now that I think about it, Dirk does own Garnett every time they play each other.
You might want to think twice about that. Dirk vs Garnett statistics are as follows. After all the times they've faced, here are their averages against each other per 48 minutes.

Kevin Garnett: 29.6 ppg
Dirk Nowitzki: 28.3 ppg

Kevin Garnett: 1.7 bpg
Dirk Nowitzki: 1.1 bpg

Kevin Garnett: 1.5 spg
Dirk Nowitzki: 1.0 spg

Kevin Garnett: 6.1 apg
Dirk Nowitzki: 2.8 apg

Kevin Garnett: 15.4 rpg
Dirk Nowitzki: 10.4 rpg

Kevin Garnett: 12.0 drpg
Dirk Nowitzki: 8.4 drpg

(Ha, that's funny. Garnett averages more defensive boards against Dirk than Dirk averages TOTAL boards. And jasonterry is trying to tell me Garnett isn't the better defensive rebounder?)

Kevin Garnett: 3.5 orpg
Dirk Nowitzki: 2.0 orpg

Kevin Garnett: .586 TS%
Dirk Nowitzki: .582 TS%

Kevin Garnett: .771% FT
Dirk Nowitzki: .887% FT

Kevin Garnett: .294 3pt%
Dirk Nowitzki: .406 3pt%

Kevin Garnett: .535 FG%
Dirk Nowitzki: .464 FG%


So as you can see, all Dirk beats him in is 3's and free throws. Dirk doesn't "own" Garnett everytime they face. It's the other way around.
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Old 09-09-2007, 12:30 AM   #54
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You might want to think twice about that. Dirk vs Garnett statistics are as follows. After all the times they've faced, here are their averages against each other per 48 minutes.

Kevin Garnett: 29.6 ppg
Dirk Nowitzki: 28.3 ppg

Kevin Garnett: 1.7 bpg
Dirk Nowitzki: 1.1 bpg

Kevin Garnett: 1.5 spg
Dirk Nowitzki: 1.0 spg

Kevin Garnett: 6.1 apg
Dirk Nowitzki: 2.8 apg

Kevin Garnett: 15.4 rpg
Dirk Nowitzki: 10.4 rpg

Kevin Garnett: 12.0 drpg
Dirk Nowitzki: 8.4 drpg

(Ha, that's funny. Garnett averages more defensive boards against Dirk than Dirk averages TOTAL boards. And jasonterry is trying to tell me Garnett isn't the better defensive rebounder?)

Kevin Garnett: 3.5 orpg
Dirk Nowitzki: 2.0 orpg

Kevin Garnett: .586 TS%
Dirk Nowitzki: .582 TS%

Kevin Garnett: .771% FT
Dirk Nowitzki: .887% FT

Kevin Garnett: .294 3pt%
Dirk Nowitzki: .406 3pt%

Kevin Garnett: .535 FG%
Dirk Nowitzki: .464 FG%


So as you can see, all Dirk beats him in is 3's and free throws. Dirk doesn't "own" Garnett everytime they face. It's the other way around.
Those stats are completely worthless because Dirk's teams usually clinch a playoff berth with 10-15 games left, and his minutes tail off, and thus his stats. Post their head to head stats instead.
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You might want to think twice about that. Dirk vs Garnett statistics are as follows. After all the times they've faced, here are their averages against each other per 48 minutes.

So as you can see, all Dirk beats him in is 3's and free throws. Dirk doesn't "own" Garnett everytime they face. It's the other way around.
that is kind of unfair for a few reasons

1. Garnett is a one man team....he is gonna have alot of everything

2. the Mavs always kill them and Dirk ends up on the bench for the entire 4th quarter
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Post their head to head stats instead.
i think that is what those are....
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Old 09-09-2007, 12:53 AM   #57
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Garnett is not better at stealing or passing and he's not a better defensive rebounder either.
If he doesn't make the Finals this year it shows Pippen is right to say he is the most overrated player of all time
Didn't Pippen also say that, given a choice, most GMs would take him over Jordan (in their primes, presumably). He lost all credibility with me when he said that.

Boston has the best 'Big Three' in the NBA, but after that... not much. I don't think it would be any serious blow to Garnett's legacy if he didn't reach the Finals this year. I'm still not sure that this Celtics marriage is going to be as great as some seem to think.

You have injury prone players... guys who have never played together... very suspect role players and bench...

As a matter of fact, I will be shocked if they make the ECF, let alone the Finals... there... I said it.
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1 Steve Nash
2 Jason Kidd
3 Baron Davis
4 Deron Williams
5 Gilbert Arenas

1 Kobe Bryant
2 Dwayne Wade
3 Tracy McGrady
4 Allen Iverson
5 Ray Allen

1 LeBron James
2 Carmelo Anthony
3 Paul Pierce
4 Shawn Marion
5 Andre Iguodala

1 Tim Duncan
2 Kevin Garnett
3 Dirk Nowitzki
4 Elton Brand
5 Chris Bosh

1 Yao Ming
2 Amare Stoudemire
3 Paul Gasol
4 Shaquille O'Neil
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