Swiss Initiative Would Give $2,800 a Month to Everyone

[MavsSuperFan]

I understood that part but apply for citizenship?

Alot of migrants from the third world get citizenship in Switzerland and other western European countries

I am not sure but I have heard getting citizen ship in the nordic countries is really difficult.

I think most of the migrants are to countries like france and britain.

Edit: or they live there but arent citizens.

[MavsSuperFan]

$2,800 a month to the 8 million citizens of Switzerland is $268,800,000,000 annually.

Where is over a quarter of a trillion dollars going to come from?

thats a good point there GDP is only

632.2 billion USD (2012)

there are 8 million people in switzerland, but I wonder how many are citizens and how many are just legal residents.

[Swaggin916]

So I guess unskilled migrant workers work all the jobs that don't pay people enough to motivate them to work? Sounds like a good deal to me man.

[unbreakable]

It makes sense for the wealthy to pay more in taxes because they can better afford it. But you can't go too far to the point where you're punishing them for being rich. Did whoever came up with this idea crunch the numbers to see whether or not the wealthy could support the necessary tax hike?

lol at your choice of words .. "PUNISHING the rich" LMAO as if a little tax hike is really punishing the worlds elite. get real, scumbag. these people deserve to be taxed.. if its the difference between a 15th yacht or 2,000 people eating for a year , we know whats more important.


%$ck you

[DCL]

if the 2,800 is taken directly from budget cuts of existing welfare programs, then it's actually a clever way for the government to eliminate the burden of welfare in the future.

this assumption will hold true if one expects inflation to continue while those payments of 2,800 remain fixed or have extremely minimal cost-of-living adjustments.

because one would expect the costs of welfare to go up along with inflation in the future, but if those welfare programs are replaced by fixed payments now, then it's a hedge against inflation for the government.

citizens might enjoy that 2,800 amount temporarily, but that 2,800 will be a pittance when all prices rise.

then what's going to happen is that all the lazy people who stopped working will revolt and complain that they're not getting paid enough for NOT working.

[dunksby]

That's another socialist Euroshithole for MavsSuperfan to fume over

[CeltsGarlic]

That's another socialist Euroshithole for MavsSuperfan to fume over

Swiss is the best place ever.

[dunksby]

Swiss is the best place ever.

Nah, a socialist hell where those sneaky Commies have disguised themselves to cleverly stash hard earned dollars of Americans. They are probably intending to give out this $2800 a month using money Americans have saved there. Where else they gonna get dollars anyway?

[fiddy]

Nah, a socialist hell where those sneaky Commies have disguised themselves to cleverly stash hard earned dollars of Americans. They are probably intending to give out this $2800 a month using money Americans have saved there. Where else they gonna get dollars anyway?

Dollars=just paper, its not backed up with anything besides your government.

[CeltsGarlic]

Nah, a socialist hell where those sneaky Commies have disguised themselves to cleverly stash hard earned dollars of Americans. They are probably intending to give out this $2800 a month using money Americans have saved there. Where else they gonna get dollars anyway?

lol you stupid or what? they are not going to pay in dollars They have their own currency.
omg some of you on this site smh

[dunksby]

lol you stupid or what? they are not going to pay in dollars They have their own currency.
omg some of you on this site smh

That was obviously trolling

[CeltsGarlic]

That was obviously trolling

dang then

[Blue&Orange]

I see from they are coming, i like their view on how there are millions working many hours while other want to work and can't.

Here in Europe unemployment is a big issue right now, but what make me laugh is the notion that there is something that can be done. Every passing year machines replace humans more, do it yourself services are popping out like weed where in the past you had someone doing it for yourself, jobs will continue to be lost.

IF you think human population is projected to almost double, things are going to go really well, even more with countries broke because they gave their wealth to private corporations.


But much better than this, it's Swiss salary ratio between low level workers and top level brass. I don't know if it's already a law, but it's something that i think it's obligatory everywhere. A CEO could only make X of what the lowest income worker makes.

My country have one of the most fragile economies in the EU, but somehow the CEO's are among the most well paid in the EU, because they are doing such a wonderful job.


MORALIZATION.

[DonD13]

you guys

I'm from Switzerland.
Maybe two things to consider:

1) 100k signatures is nothing.
The found 100k signatures for stupider shit that had no chance in the real voting. But I guess you can't expect Americans to know about direct democracy.

2) 2800$ is nothing.
Seriously, as an adult you can't live with that here. But I know, Americans think it's ok to let grown men work for 8$.

[BRabbiT]

this is really interesting. wow.





[QUOTE]
We spoke to Daniel Straub, one of the people behind the initiative, to get a better understanding of what the proposal really means, why it is so radical, and what the world could learn from it.

* How did this idea come to be?
Daniel Straub: "A lot of people have proposed this idea. For example Thomas Paine in the United States or also the famous psychologist Erich Fromm has written about it in the sixties."


* Why choose a minimum income rather than, say, a higher minimum wage?

Straub: "[I][B]We are not proposing a minimum income