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Old 05-21-2016, 02:19 PM   #31
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Default Re: LeBron has been the underdog 6/7 times in the finals

Only 2007 , sorry .
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Old 05-21-2016, 02:20 PM   #32
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False.

1998 the Bulls were the clear underdogs.


Bulls were underdogs in 1991 too - from NBA.com:

"..the Bulls were considered big underdogs to the Lakers in the Finals and the vast majority of media "experts" predicted an easy Lakers' victory."

http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/top-20...91-season.html
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Old 05-21-2016, 02:25 PM   #33
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Only 2007 , sorry .




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Old 05-21-2016, 02:26 PM   #34
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Lebron had no chance in 2015 Finals

Even with Lebron shooting 39% and allowing Iggy an extra 10 ppg, the Cavs were still competitive and won 2 games - clearly, if he holds Iggy to his normal 7 ppg and shoots 50%, the Cavs win easily.


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Not much Lebron could've done in 2007 Finals


Many guys played better against the same Spurs team:

Lebron vs. Spurs in 2007 Finals: 22 ppg on 35%

Melo vs. Spurs in 2007 1st Rd: 27 ppg on 48%

Dirk vs. Spurs in 2007.. WCF: 27 ppg on 53%

Kobe vs. Spurs in 2008.. WCF: 29 ppg on 53%


The reason for Lebron's worse efficiency was JUMPSHOOTING EFFICIENCY:

....................... midrange jumpshot FG%..... 3-point jumpshot FG%..... Jumpshot proportion of offense

Lebron 2007 Finals .............14.8........................... 20.0............................... 52.2
Dirk 2006 WCF ..................41.3........................... 50.0 .............................. 61.2
Melo 2007 1st Rd ...............37.5........................... 50.0 .............................. 59.1
Kobe 2008 WCF .................50.0........................... 33.3............................... 63.3


Everyone shot well on jumpers against the Spurs, EXCEPT Lebron - the so the Spurs jumpshooting defense clearly wasn't prohibitive - Lebron just can't shoot.



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Lebron had no chance in 2007 Finals

Not true - despite Lebron's 22 ppg on 35%, all 4 games were single-digit affairs, including 1-possession nail-biters in Games 3 and 4.. (edit: Game 1 was 11 pt game)

The Cavs had a great defense, but just needed a consistent volume scorer to win.


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Lebron had no chance in 2014 Finals

Not true - Lebron's defense was very good the first 2 games against Kawhi (9 ppg on 43%), and not surprisingly, the Heat were tied 1-1... They were competitive with the Spurs, just like OKC and Dallas were, who held Kawhi to 12 ppg on 45%.

But then Lebron gave up in Game 3 - Kawhi proceeded to run roughshod the last 3 games for 24 ppg on 69% - this is the biggest reason the series changed - that's a 15 point swing.

Better defense on Kawhi would've kept the games closer, and the Heat could've WON the series if Lebron coupled his better defense on Kawhi with more offensive aggression - he only averaged 17 shot attempts, which was HALF his attempts in 2015 Finals that won 2 games with a worse supporting cast (the injured Cavs) against a better team (Warriors)..

Obviously, if Lebron plays good defense on Kawhi AND doubles his shot attempts to 33 per game like the 2015 Finals, the Heat would've won.
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Old 05-21-2016, 02:27 PM   #35
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Thanks .

Also 2015
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Old 05-21-2016, 03:53 PM   #36
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Even with Lebron shooting 39% and allowing Iggy an extra 10 ppg, the Cavs were still competitive and won 2 games - clearly, if he holds Iggy to his normal 7 ppg and shoots 50%, the Cavs win easily.




Many guys played better against the same Spurs team:

Lebron vs. Spurs in 2007 Finals: 22 ppg on 35%

Melo vs. Spurs in 2007 1st Rd: 27 ppg on 48%

Dirk vs. Spurs in 2007.. WCF: 27 ppg on 53%

Kobe vs. Spurs in 2008.. WCF: 29 ppg on 53%


The reason for Lebron's worse efficiency was JUMPSHOOTING EFFICIENCY:

....................... midrange jumpshot FG%..... 3-point jumpshot FG%..... Jumpshot proportion of offense

Lebron 2007 Finals .............14.8........................... 20.0............................... 52.2
Dirk 2006 WCF ..................41.3........................... 50.0 .............................. 61.2
Melo 2007 1st Rd ...............37.5........................... 50.0 .............................. 59.1
Kobe 2008 WCF .................50.0........................... 33.3............................... 63.3


Everyone shot well on jumpers against the Spurs, EXCEPT Lebron - the so the Spurs jumpshooting defense clearly wasn't prohibitive - Lebron just can't shoot.




Not true - despite Lebron's 22 ppg on 35%, all 4 games were single-digit affairs, including 1-possession nail-biters in Games 3 and 4.. (edit: Game 1 was 11 pt game)

The Cavs had a great defense, but just needed a consistent volume scorer to win.


Not true - Lebron's defense was very good the first 2 games against Kawhi (9 ppg on 43%), and not surprisingly, the Heat were tied 1-1... They were competitive with the Spurs, just like OKC and Dallas were, who held Kawhi to 12 ppg on 45%.

But then Lebron gave up in Game 3 - Kawhi proceeded to run roughshod the last 3 games for 24 ppg on 69% - this is the biggest reason the series changed - that's a 15 point swing.

Better defense on Kawhi would've kept the games closer, and the Heat could've WON the series if Lebron coupled his better defense on Kawhi with more offensive aggression - he only averaged 17 shot attempts, which was HALF his attempts in 2015 Finals that won 2 games with a worse supporting cast (the injured Cavs) against a better team (Warriors)..

Obviously, if Lebron plays good defense on Kawhi AND doubles his shot attempts to 33 per game like the 2015 Finals, the Heat would've won.

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Old 05-21-2016, 05:28 PM   #37
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Lebron's history of choking is the only reason they were slight underdogs in 2012. Nobody thought the Thunder were really a better team. It was just presumed that Lebron would come up small again like he did in 2011, 2010, and 2009.
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Lebron's history of choking is the only reason they were slight underdogs in 2012. Nobody thought the Thunder were really a better team. It was just presumed that Lebron would come up small again like he did in 2011, 2010, and 2009.

riiiight... tell us more. You dont look at this shit and say '.. okay, I cant be taken seriously when it comes to LeBron lol' ?
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Old 05-21-2016, 05:36 PM   #39
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Lost in 09 and 10 as favorite to win it all before the finals
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Old 05-21-2016, 05:36 PM   #40
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riiiight... tell us more. You dont look at this shit and say '.. okay, I cant be taken seriously when it comes to LeBron lol' ?

So you think Durant, Westbrook, and Harden are better than Lebron, Wade, and Bosh? Why else would that team be favorites in their first ever finals appearance over a team that had been there the year before?
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Old 05-21-2016, 05:59 PM   #41
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OKC were the favs heading in, they had homecourt and looked impressive taking down the Spurs.

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OKC were the favs heading in, they had homecourt and looked impressive taking down the Spurs.


ISH with revisionist history once again
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Old 05-21-2016, 10:21 PM   #43
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ISH with revisionist history once again

It was 12 to 8. Slight edge to Thunder. But do you honestly think so many Lebron nut huggers would pick against him of he didn't choke every year prior?
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