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Old 01-13-2018, 04:41 PM   #31
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Jordan shot abysmal from the field in his last 3 finals. Carrying a huge scoring load is only impressive if you do it efficiently. Bulls succes from 96-98 was largely due to the defense from Jordans supporting cast. He won a championship with his team shooting 43% from the field whilst Jordan shot 42.7.

MJ was 1st team all defense from 96-98. Thank you for confirming that the success was largely due to MJ's defense.
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Old 01-13-2018, 04:44 PM   #32
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The Celtics won absolutely nothing for several years before Russell joined & after he retired. He didn't join a team that already won a title and broke the win record without him, completely different circumstances

The circumstances on how a stack team is formed doesn't matter, the point is that relative to the competition, Russell had a cake walk just like KD has due to the make up of both of their teams. If what KD is doing doesn't matter, than neither does what Russell did.
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Old 01-13-2018, 04:44 PM   #33
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MJ was 1st team all defense from 96-98. Thank you for confirming that the success was largely due to MJ's defense.

He had no business on the all defensive first team in 98. Pippen was also about 10x the defensive player during that 2nd threepeat. He was always having to cover for that bald prick.
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Old 01-13-2018, 04:45 PM   #34
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The circumstances on how a stack team is formed doesn't matter, the point is that relative to the competition, Russell had a cake walk just like KD has due to the make up of both of their teams. If what KD is doing doesn't matter, than neither does what Russell did.
Well if Durant manages to win 11 championships, maybe I'll reconsider
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Old 01-13-2018, 04:55 PM   #35
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He had no business on the all defensive first team in 98. Pippen was also about 10x the defensive player during that 2nd threepeat. He was always having to cover for that bald prick.

The only reason why Pippen was even remotely close to MJ defensively is because he had to cover MJ in practice. At the end of the day, it all comes back to MJ being responsible for not only is own greatness, but for the greatness of his teammates. He didn't ruin teammate careers like Lebron did.
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Old 01-13-2018, 04:57 PM   #36
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comes down to knowing how to win basketball games...Jordan know how to lead and how to win/close out games. Put KD on the same floor with MJ and I think he wilts the competitive pressure MJ puts on him...
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Old 01-13-2018, 04:59 PM   #37
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comes down to knowing how to win basketball games...Jordan know how to lead and how to win/close out games. Put KD on the same floor with MJ and I think he wilts the competitive pressure MJ puts on him...

It comes down to not knowing how to lose in the finals. MJ didn't know how to lose in the finals.

KD must first 3 peat before a thread like this can even be made.
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Old 01-13-2018, 05:02 PM   #38
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The only reason why Pippen was even remotely close to MJ defensively is because he had to cover MJ in practice. At the end of the day, it all comes back to MJ being responsible for not only is own greatness, but for the greatness of his teammates. He didn't ruin teammate careers like Lebron did.

Yeah...except for the fact that what made Pippen so dominant defensively was his OFF BALL DEFENSE...you stupid ****ing moron.
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Old 01-13-2018, 05:08 PM   #39
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This isn't even saying much...second threepeat Jordan just might be the most overrated player in the history of sports.


Well right behind Chris Paul's entire career. At least Jordan has MVPs and FMVPs to show for it though.
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Well right behind Chris Paul's entire career. At least Jordan has MVPs and FMVPs to show for it though.

True. They are both massively overrated.
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Old 01-13-2018, 05:11 PM   #41
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Yeah...except for the fact that what made Pippen so dominant defensively was his OFF BALL DEFENSE...you stupid ****ing moron.

Yawn.... poor Smoke you know nothing. MJ didn't always have the ball and anticipating what MJ would do off ball is what largely contributed to Pippen becoming a great defender. When you can anticipate what MJ is going to do off ball, you can anticipate what anyone will do off ball.
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Old 01-13-2018, 05:12 PM   #42
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Yawn.... poor Smoke you know nothing. MJ didn't always have the ball and anticipating what MJ would do off ball is what largely contributed to Pippen becoming a great defender. When you can anticipate what MJ is going to do off ball, you can anticipate what anyone will do off ball.

Cringe. Why do you come here to talk about a sport you know nothing about? Every one of your takes is moronic you pathetic loser.
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Old 01-13-2018, 05:15 PM   #43
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Cringe. Why do you come here to talk about a sport you know nothing about? Every one of your takes is moronic you pathetic loser.

I'll just take this as another white flag response of yours.

Maybe someday you'll convince someone with your shit logic that Pippen would have been half the defender he was if he never practiced with MJ.
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Old 01-13-2018, 05:26 PM   #44
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Lebron is pass first and still averaged 30
Whilst 2nd 3peat Jordan was just a scorer with meh efficiency

LeBron's a really good passer, but he's definitely NOT a pass first player
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Old 01-13-2018, 05:38 PM   #45
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This isn't even saying much...second threepeat Jordan just might be the most overrated player in the history of sports.

Hah! I think he's overrated when ppl say he was at his peak in 96. After seeing some games from him to 88-93, nooo way.

I don't think I'm at your level when you say he is overrated in terms of defense to the point where he shouldn't be selected on the all nba defense. I think you used to go by DBPM to prove your point, right? Yet at the same time, his Drtg was good and his DWS was like second to Rodman on the team, but that was due to Pippen being out. Every defensive stat has flaws tho. You gott'a put them into context. Like Curry having a better DBPM than Klay Thompson and Bradley in 16. And he also had a better DWS than Thompson too. lol

I do think that he wasn't the best player in 98. I think that was Shaq now, but MJ had the best performance and was well deserved of MVP due to the injuries and the old age that the Bulls had throughout the season. He proved that again in the playoffs because there were a bunch of stretches that the Bulls just could not score, and MJ was the only dude who could make a basket.

I always considered MJ 2nd peat to be a better version of 08-10 Kobe.

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