My new way of ranking players. THE NEW TOP 10 ALL TIME

[kennethgriffin]

Career + Peak + Prime Divided by total


heres a list of top careers

#1 kareem
#2 Bill
#3 Jordan
#4 Magic
#5 Duncan
#6 Kobe
#7 Bird
#8 Shaq
#9 Wilt
#10 Lebron

heres a list of top peaks ( 1-2 years )

#1 Wilt
#2 Shaq
#3 Oscar
#4 Baylor
#5 Kareem
#6 Jordan
#7 Hakeem
#8 Kobe
#9 Lebron
#10 Bird


heres a list of top primes ( 5-7 years )

#1 Wilt
#2 Jordan
#3 Kobe
#4 Lebron
#5 Bird
#6 Shaq
#7 Oscar
#8 Baylor
#9 Kareem
#10 West






kareem - 1,5,9
jordan - 3,6,2
bill - 2,0,0
magic - 4,0,0
duncan - 5,0,0
kobe - 6,8,3
bird - 7,10,5
shaq - 8,2,6
wilt - 9,1,1
lebron - 10,9,4
oscar - 0,3,7
baylor - 0,4,8
west - 0,0,10

0's given 11. total devided by 3


#1 Jordan - 3.6
#1 Wilt - 3.6
#3 kareem - 5
#4 Shaq - 5.3
#5 Kobe - 5.6
#6 Oscar - 7
#7 Bird - 7.3
#8 Lebron - 7.6
#8 Baylor - 7.6
#10 Bill - 8
#11 Magic - 8.6
#12 Duncan - 9
#13 West - 10.6

[Suguru101]

LeBron and Bird's peaks are >> Kobe's.

LeBron and Bird's primes are >> Kobe's.

Nice format though.

[riseagainst]

lebron solidly in that top 10 already.

[dubeta]

Kobe's peak was a lottery team

Bran's peak was 4 MVP's in 5 years and back to back FMVP's and MVP's just stop

Player Efficiency Rating solves this issue:

[T_L_P]

Every pierce of evidence ever collected shows Duncan had the better peak and prime than Kobe.

Especially peak though. It's a fact that Kobe was never better than 03 Duncan. Won a title with a weaker squad than any of Kobe's, higher numbers across the board, etc.

Oh, I forgot, it's not an objective list in the slightest; just you pretending Kobe had a top 10 peak/top 3 prime.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Wilt # 2?

Better check the formula because that can't be true.

Guy had post skills similar to Dwight & was given 40+ shots per night to score 50 in the regular season but never could get close to matching that scoring on championship teams in the playoffs

[kennethgriffin]

LeBron and Bird's peaks are >> Kobe's.

35/5/5, 81 points, 40ppg multiple months, most 60 point games in a season besides wilt, most 50+ games in a row period or in a season besides wilt, perfected skills on both ends of the floor, best footwork, athleticism

why do you think during kobes prime they kept saying "first since wilt" cause he was that good.

his overall prime is legendary too... the peak fallowed by the 3 straight finals, back to back titles and finals mvps without another nba hall of famer ( gasol might make it off of fiba, coaches dont count. stfu )

kobe did more individually than bird or lebron in his prime.


bird needed 5 other hall of famers.

lebron needed 3 other hall of famers


kobes 3rd best player was fisher

[stalkerforlife]

Kobe's better than Shaq and Wilt all time.

Kobe is #3 behind Jordan and Kareem.

[GrapeApe]

So this "formula" is based on arbitrary and subjective criteria. Gotcha.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

So this "formula" is based on arbitrary and subjective criteria. Gotcha.

Yeah, pretty much.

[T_L_P]

35/5/5, 81 points, 40ppg multiple months, most 60 point games in a season besides wilt, most 50+ games in a row period or in a season besides wilt, perfected skills on both ends of the floor, best footwork, athleticism

...and then the Playoffs happened.

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe's peak was a lottery team

Bran's peak was 4 MVP's in 5 years and back to back FMVP's and MVP's just stop

Player Efficiency Rating solves this issue:

Season PER all time:


Chris Paul 6th

dwyane wade 8th

neil johnston 9th

larry bird 17th


pau gasol 37th


chris bosh 52nd

bill russell 95th

isiah thomas 122nd











playoff PER all time:



bill russell is 58th

DR J is 41st

Garnett is 30th

bird is 25th

kobe is 23rd

kareem is 16th

chris paul is 6th

george mikan is 2nd





some stat eh

[SouBeachTalents]

Kobe's better than Shaq and Wilt all time.

Kobe is #3 behind Jordan and Kareem.

And Russell, Magic, & Bird

[Nowitness]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/..._career_p.html

as per, kobes not even near the top 25. every other top 10 goat is.

[kennethgriffin]

Every pierce of evidence ever collected shows Duncan had the better peak and prime than Kobe.

Especially peak though. It's a fact that Kobe was never better than 03 Duncan. Won a title with a weaker squad than any of Kobe's, higher numbers across the board, etc.

Oh, I forgot, it's not an objective list in the slightest; just you pretending Kobe had a top 10 peak/top 3 prime.

duncan sucks man. would kobe ever be the 2nd best player on a team to tony parker or kawhi leonard?

forget the ginobili 2005 finals.. duncan won finals mvp. so i wont even bring up the 20ppg on 60% from ginobili



take your advanced efficiency stats and throw them in with the rest of the crap nobody cares about.


your crap favors bigs anyway. and theyre expected to shoot higher % cause of positioning. their duties require different game plans

whats a fact is as efficient as duncan is. hes the 2nd best player on the spurs since 2007. which is quite lame cause they havent really had another legendary player

duncan got passed up by 2nd rate stars