Today's player shoots free throws 17% more often on 2-point shots

[Akhenaten]

[i]This is the reason Wade shot 66% TS against Thibbs defense

You're not talking about that 09-10 1st round series vs the Celtics are you? Cause dude only made 5.4 out of 8 attempts (67%), his high TS% was from shooting 56% from the field and 41% from 3, if anything his poor FT shooting brought his TS% (I hate that stupid facking term by the way "true", goofball nerd shit) down.

[3ball]

^^^ Jordan shot way more midrange jumpers than wade has in his career.

So why did Jordan amass more dunks each season than Wade did?

Are you saying Jordan didn't attack the rim as much as wade, harden, lebron, or kobe?

It's a fact that the highest-dunking #1 option wing players of all time got 150 dunks per season in their prime - these guys would be MJ, Dr. J, Dominique, Drexler, Lebron, Durant and Wade - so MJ is in this group of elite rim attackers, and everyone knows that he HEADS this list.

players shoot less mid range jumpers than ever, so more of their two point FGA come at the rim, where you are more likely to draw a foul.

so does that mean today's game is easier, since today's players get to finish at the rim exclusively and don't have to take mid-range shots?

or do you think previous eras simply CHOSE to take mid-range jumpers over finishing at the rim?
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[3ball]

So let me get this straight - you guys are saying that MJ didn't attack the rim as much as today's player, and that's why he didn't get as many FT's as today's player?

Is that it?

I'm still trying to figure out why MJ shot free throws on a significantly lower proportion of his shots.

[DonDadda59]

^^^ Jordan shot way more midrange jumpers than wade has in his career.

90% of Wade's shots throughout his career have come within the 3 point line.

93% of Jordan's shots throughout his career have come within the 3 point line.

Data from 126 games that Jordan played from 89-92.

46% of Jordan's shots were inside the paint.

Data from 102 games Wade played from 06-'08.

43% of Wade's shots were inside the paint.

Jordan's FTr during that stretch: .349

Wade's FTr during that stretch: .528

[Akhenaten]

90% of Wade's shots throughout his career have come within the 3 point line.

93% of Jordan's shots throughout his career have come within the 3 point line.

Data from 126 games that Jordan played from 89-92.

46% of Jordan's shots were inside the paint.

Data from 102 games Wade played from 06-'08.

43% of Wade's shots were inside the paint.

Jordan's FTr during that stretch: .349

Wade's FTr during that stretch: .528

What percentage of those paint shots are from transition/fast break opportunities?

[navy]

So let me get this straight - you guys are saying that MJ didn't attack the rim as much as today's player, and that's why he didn't get as many FT's as today's player?

Is that it?

I'm still trying to figure out why MJ shot free throws on a significantly lower proportion of his shots.

Nobody said that. You were the one who pointed out how many of his field goals were ray allen or reggie miller like and this prone to not getting fouls.

If Jordan has the added field goals attempts not drawn to fouls it only makes logical sense that his ft% would be lower and total free throw attempts to be similar because he takes way more shots that wont draw fouls.

What do you get with more field goal attempts and the same amount of free throws? Lower ftr%.

Dumb thread with not fully thought out agenda.

[Akhenaten]

Nobody said that. You were the one who pointed out how many of his field goals were ray allen or reggie miller like and this prone to not getting fouls.

If Jordan has the added field goals attempts not drawn to fouls it only makes logical sense that his ft% would be lower and total free throw attempts to be similar because he takes way more shots that wont draw fouls.

What do you get with more field goal attempts and the same amount of free throws? Lower ftr%.

Dumb thread with not fully thought out agenda.

Yeah, he didn't consider volume, Jordan attempted a lot more shots than guys like Wade and Lebron. So if ofr example Wade and Jordan may both have 300 FG's in the paint but Wade may have 200 from midrange while Jordan will have 400 from midrange so as you said this will skew the percentages.

Would be interesting to isolate what percentage of their attempts strictly in the in the paint and at the rim resulted in FT's. Of course we would also have to know what percentage of those at rim/paint shots are In the half court as opposed to in transition/fast break as fouls obviously occur much more frequently in the half court than in transition.

Jordan again will have a MUCH higher volume and percentage of his attempts at the rim/paint be in transition than Wade (maybe not Lebron, well volume yes, not sure about percentage).

One common trait amongst I notice amongst the overly nostalgic posters is that they are so eager to confirm their preconceived beliefs that they hastily latch on to any FACE value fact to validate their biases.

These guys never seem to take any time and care in really thinking through the data they are observing smh

[Hey Yo]

How many more fouls would Jordan have accumulated due to his highly physical d? How many less All D teams? How many less minutes played, and thus less points, and less wins?

So if Jordan played today, in the soft era where fouls were called more often, he'd foul out from his physical D and his team would never win a title. Dat legacy.

Wouldn't have mattered. The league would still make sure to take care of MJ. His breakout season was in 1988. That year he was called for 3.3 PF's a game. After that year his PF avg. went down every single full season except the 1993 and 96 seasons when it stayed the same at 2.4 PF per game.

Stern made sure MJ stayed on the floor and out of foul trouble.

[kshutts1]

Wouldn't have mattered. The league would still make sure to take care of MJ. His breakout season was in 1988. That year he was called for 3.3 PF's a game. After that year his PF avg. went down every single full season except the 1993 and 96 seasons when it stayed the same at 2.4 PF per game.

Stern made sure MJ stayed on the floor and out of foul trouble.

But I thought all reffing was now fair? They say there is no such thing as superstar treatment

[Rose'sACL]

OP is yet to explain how field goal attempts directly tell us how many free throws a player should get.
by the FTr logic, curry and lebron should get same amount of free throws if they attempt same number of shots which just shows how flawed that thing is.

[Hey Yo]

Jordan '98 FTr: .381 (1.5 3s/gm)

LeBron '14 FTr: .432 (4 3s/gm)

Durant '14 FTr: .477 (6.1 3s/gm)

Harden '14 FTr: .552 (6.6 3s/gm)

Goddamn Stern

At age 34, MJ was doing much less driving to the rim and settling for many more jumpers. Yet he took the most amount of FTA since the 88-89 season.

Stern jumping up and down on his dying cash cow trying to get every penny he could.

[3ball]

If Jordan has the added field goals attempts not drawn to fouls it only makes logical sense that his ft% would be lower and total free throw attempts to be similar because he takes way more shots that wont draw fouls.

You don't think MJ took as many at-rim shots as wade or harden?

So why did they call him "Air" Jordan?.. Why didn't they call him "mid-range" Jordan?.. Why does he have posters over every big name player of his era, including every all-time great center, and mostly in the half-court?... Why don't Wade, Harden and Lebron posterize all the big name players or have as many posters as MJ?

And we have the ACTUAL dunk stats for MJ from old Philadelpia 76'er Media Guides - in 1988, MJ had 158 dunks:

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2lb0...8#.VTAxYiFVikp


So that's a documented fact - MJ got more dunks in 1988 than any wing player today has ever gotten in one season.. And in 1988, the league as a whole dunked once every 28 shot attempts, compared to once every 22 shot attempts today (it's easier to dunk today):

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...0&postcount=58
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[dubeta]

Jordan was NOT an off-ball player

[ralph_i_el]

I'm still trying to figure out why MJ shot free throws on a significantly lower proportion of his shots.

Then you're ****ing retarded.

[Smoke117]

Magic and bird used to joke about Michael jordan being the refs golden boy.. you are on a never ending cycle of nostalgias from older times always saying their generation was better than the generations after it.please stfu

Which is hilarious considering Magic has the most bullshit calls of any player ever. You couldn't breathe on him without having a foul called on you.