Bigass Poltical thread Part V: The Democratic Convention

[dude77]

They celebrate race dude because they are diverse. I think you got it twisted. Did you hear about the black woman getting peanuts thrown at her at the RNC convention last week. That right there is racism.

you're a fkn troll .. that's celebrating blacks exclusively .. not diversity .. are you ok with the gop celebrating 'whites' and passing out buttons saying something like 'vote white is the right way' ? .. I'm sure you would be defendng that by saying 'they're celebrating race dude'

[KevinNYC]

Not specifically Glass-Steagal, but it was another part of the deregulatory wave. His Treasury Team supported keeping derivatives unregulated and worked with Alan Greenspand to beat down the woman who was worried about the repeated failures on Wall Street like Long Term Capital Management.

This episode of Frontline is quite good on this.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/warning/view/

I was thinking of this when I mentioned that Clinton had his mistakes too, though at the time, no thought of this as a mistake.

[Godzuki]

Yeah I wish we could just re-elect him.

he wouldn't be much different from Obama. thats what i don't get. people here seem to like Bill Clinton and hate Obama when Bill has pretty much supported and been 100% behind Obama in almost everything he's done. the only thing i've seen him sort of differentiate from is bringing troops home but otherwise he's been completely supportive of Obama throughout. they're both very practical decision makers so its not like they'd make vastly different decisions based on some belief system like Republicans tend to.

[KevinNYC]

In other news
http://www.businessinsider.com/forme...n-party-2012-9

Former Clinton Treasury Secretary Bob Rubin Fell Into A Swimming Pool At A Fancy Convention Party

[rufuspaul]

he wouldn't be much different from Obama. thats what i don't get. people here seem to like Bill Clinton and hate Obama

Because Clinton is white. [COLOR="White"]I'm kidding!!![/COLOR]

[rufuspaul]

I was thinking of this when I mentioned that Clinton had his mistakes too, though at the time, no thought of this as a mistake.

True. Times were good and even though the tech bubble had burst by the end of his last term no one thought it was anything other than a bump in the road.

[Godzuki]

Because Clinton is white. [COLOR="White"]I'm kidding!!![/COLOR]

lol

[Godzuki]

I just listened to it per your suggestion. My thoughts on it were..

Elizabeth touts the Consumer Financial Protection agency, saying it will protect citizens from the risk-taking banks. Okay, but what about all the bank regulation we had before the crisis? Why didn't they protect us? How come we never talk about cutting the bureaucracies that failed to see the crisis coming?

Elizabeth Warren: "Obama believes in a country where nobody gets a free ride or a golden parachute." Didn't Obama support tax payer bailouts of private companies?

Elizabeth Warren: "Obama believes in a country where anyone who has a great idea and works hard has a chance to build a business." Who cares what someone "believes"? It's about what they actually do. Obama actually supports huge amounts of government spending, which means more taxes, which means less capital is available for business loans. That means less people can start businesses overall. Great idea or no.

He also supports huge amounts of regulation. Before you democrats cheer, keep in mind that regulation is even more cumbersome for small business than big business. Big business can afford the regulatory hurdles, small business cannot. Obama's regulations are expected to cost businesses between $100 million and $4.1 billion more than Bush's, says the Huffington Post.

Overall, her speech is filled with anti-business, class warfare rhetoric. And I know democrats, the rich started it. But you're continuing it, and it is getting scary to be honest. Democrats are just anti-capitalism these days, there's really no other way to put it. Democrats always bitch when conservatives call Obama a socialist, but you turn around and call THIS free markets? You turn around and say deregulation caused the financial crisis, when the entire system is government directed, if not controlled. We have more regulations than we can even count, a gigantic government debt, a central bank, and roughly a 50% income tax for a lot of people. And even if you think the rich pay less than that, anything after 0% is one stop further from capitalism.

thats the main problem with you guys. you think a belief system overrides making the best decision based on current circumstances. nobody WANTED to bailout anyone, its not in Obama's belief system to even do that, but it was a necessary evil to prevent a collapse of industries and massive unemployment which would have had a domino effect i don't think most of you even realize. thats why its so absurd in hindsight to think you all wanted to let it all fail, and now pretend to blame Obama for the unemployment rate, amongst other things.

being stubborn to a belief system = bad. you don't make the most practical decisions based on the situation, you just keep riding some belief regardless of a situation. it could completely collapse our whole country and you'd still do it because its in your belief system. A practical person will make the best decision for that circumstance whether it goes with or against their 'belief system'. its one of the biggest faults of Republicans/Independents and how they think.

[rufuspaul]

thats the main problem with you guys. you think a belief system overrides making the best decision based on current circumstances. nobody WANTED to bailout anyone, its not in Obama's belief system to even do that, but it was a necessary evil to prevent a collapse of industries and massive unemployment which would have had a domino effect i don't think most of you even realize. thats why its so absurd in hindsight to think you all wanted to let it all fail, and now pretend to blame Obama for the unemployment rate, amongst other things.

being stubborn to a belief system = bad. you don't make the most practical decisions based on the situation, you just keep riding some belief regardless of a situation. it could completely collapse our whole country and you'd still do it because its in your belief system. A practical person will make the best decision for that circumstance whether it goes with or against their 'belief system'. its one of the biggest faults of Republicans/Independents and how they think.

I thought being independent meant just that. And don't think that your esteemed democratic members of congress are any different when it comes to voting based on a belief system.

[Godzuki]

I thought being independent meant just that. And don't think that your esteemed democratic members of congress are any different when it comes to voting based on a belief system.

Independent should mean an independent belief separate from right and left that has a lot of variety but too bad it doesn't. Independent in the context of potlicial candidates fall along Ron Pauls beliefs, and basically are like Joe where they have these free trade, anti government program, etc. beliefs to a extreme that aren't realistic. Like i said before Independents are more similar to Republicans than not from everything i've seen. Its like Republican without the religious aspects, at the least you guys tend to parallel each other when it comes to a lot of railing against Obama's decisions.

i'm sure you'll disagree but i think Democrats are more open minded(liberal) and don't make decisions nearly as much based on old fashioned values, principles, etc. where they're less stubborn minded.

[Balla_Status]

You could use the "circumstances" excuse for almost anything a president does.

[Godzuki]

You could use the "circumstances" excuse for almost anything a president does.

thats the thing tho, i don't necessarily trust Republicans and Independents to make the practical decision based on a current circumstance that might contradict their belief system. they wear it on their sleeves to the point its hard for me to believe they'd even consider anything that doesn't fall in line.

[TheMan]

So, mate, you don't believe in taking the high road? You don't believe in setting examples? You essentially believe in being petty rather than being purposeful? You're more interested in partisan bickering than setting an important tone of resolute determination to make improvements?

Bully for you, mate!

What would you prefer Democrats not compromise on, mate? Allowing entitlement spending to suffocate the country's future? Inefficient, federalized healthcare that provides literally zero incentive for people to actually be healthy? Tolerance of cultures that produce gangs, dropouts, drug abusers, teen pregnancy, domestic violence, but no tolerance of those who'd rather not spend their money on school systems for the children others have irresponsibly and can't be bothered to raise?

Mate, creating a welfare state in America won't lift everyone up. It will bring everyone down. Democrats are the party of the jealous, lazy, and entitled.

"Vote for this pro union democrat. We'll create laws that say you have to be paid more for doing less! Sure, jobs will eventually outsource, perhaps in a few years, but for right now, immediately, your paycheck will go up! Don't look ahead, vote for me today, based on the carrot I'm dangling in front of you TODAY!"

Score a vote for the democrats.

"Look at Mitt Romney! All white and successful, good hairline, nice smile, tall. Typical All-American success story! How can you vote for him? You should resent him! You have poor language skills, you aren't as handsome, you're average! Don't vote for some stereotypical successful person. He has what you never will, and looks better than you ever did. BE jealous. Don't strive for America that works up to his level, demand that it come down to yours! You're Joe Shmoe, resent this successful man immediately! Successful business people are the bad guys, because you'll never be one! That's a good reason not to vote for him!"

Score a vote for the democrats.

"Some republicans are racist! (Many blue collar union laborers who vote democrat are also racist but forget that please. Many black democratss are extremely racist, but that's ok because they're black.) Use racism as a reason to shun all these Repubilcan principles of "independence" and "culpability." Demand more freebies from your government! Get into debt! That's ok! Because some people are racist! Don't be informed, don't get a clue as to what's going on. You're black, or hispanic, and you are entitled to a whole bunch of stuff because you live in a country that has people who are racist! Evil, racist Republicans like Jackie Robinson and Sammy Davis Jr. believed in hard work and taking action and being informed and standing tall. That's a whole bunch of racist talk from two epic racists.

Score a vote for the democrats.



Sad America, mates.

did not read

First of all, I know you really aren't an Englishman, it's obvious you've never been in England since your over use of their slang words are a dead give away. They don't talk like that, I bet your English accent is worse than Kevin Costner's in Robin Hood.

Second, since you are playing a fake Englishman, I'll play along...this is American politics, we don't give a fakk what you fake ass limey cvnt thinks!

Bugger off!

[TheMan]

McCain's campaign manager says it was virtuoso political performance and said he "wishes to God that we had somebody on our side who can do that."

W


Dems got this...Obama gonna unleash Bubba on all the battleground states and we gonna landslide Mittens

[rufuspaul]

W


Dems got this...Obama gonna unleash Bubba on all the battleground states and we gonna landslide Mittens

That appears likely at this point. Obama would have to really fukc up the debates for things to go south on him.