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Old 02-04-2012, 07:45 AM   #31
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Default Re: Did Joe Johnson make the right decision in leaving Phoenix for Atlanta?

It is really difficult or impossible to judge if its a 'right' decision or not. Joe Johnson got much better off financially with a huge contract, and he was recognized as a superstar instead of Nash's product. In the meantime, however, he lost the chance to possibly contend for 2-3 titles with Nash and Suns. Such chances may never come for him in future, but again there's plenty of variability here. We are human beings and we all make choices, I dont see Joe Johnson ever regretting his decision though so at least he never questioned that it was a 'right' move.
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Old 02-04-2012, 08:35 AM   #32
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Real sad , because he will be rich , his kids will say my dad played pro ball , but no one else will remember him when he retires.
No way does he mak HOF.
Would things be any different if he stayed in Phoenix? he made the ASG a few times as a Sun, a pinnacle he wouldn't have reached as one of the roleplayers in PHX. He would have had a better shot at a ring but it would be no guarantee, especially with an owner like Sarver that not only lets a guy like STAT go over money but has traded picks (RONDO) for money. There's nothing sad here whatsoever for JJ, his decision has lead to more money and more fame than he would have had staying there. No NBA player should ever turn his back on a max contract, at best they've got 15 years to make as much money as they can and that's what he's done. Basketball fans will remember Johnson and that will have to be enough, it's not like if he stayed a Sun he'd be Kobe.
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Boston trading away Joe Johnson - just a horrible move.
They might have had JJ, Pierce, Ray Allen, and KG.
They would have won more than one championship.
It was a bad move but there's little if any chance that the rest of Celtic history leads to the team you think would have happened. The records through history would have been different which changes draft position which means you probably don't have Big Al who was traded for KG and the 5th pick that was dealt for Ray Allen. Plus when ATL comes along and offers JJ the max you have to let him walk because he's not worth it.
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Old 02-04-2012, 10:36 AM   #33
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Matrix was traded, he didn't just leave. He was also always going to drop off servely cause his whole game was centered around atheletic ability only.

JJ definately made the right descision for himself. Phoenix weren't in a position to pay him anywhere near max.


What I meant was he wanted more touches. He didn't want to be the third option behind Stoudemire and Nash. He was more a product of Nash though, so it didn't work out that well for him.
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Old 02-04-2012, 10:56 AM   #34
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Default Re: Did Joe Johnson make the right decision in leaving Phoenix for Atlanta?

Has any player ever followed the Pippen route of getting rings, then leave to go make money? I mean it seems like the logical thing to do. Most guys do it the other way around and seldom does it work out for them.
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Old 02-04-2012, 11:05 AM   #35
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Has any player ever followed the Pippen route of getting rings, then leave to go make money? I mean it seems like the logical thing to do. Most guys do it the other way around and seldom does it work out for them.
Pippen stayed mad at Bull management because he was something like the 6th-highest paid Bull and had a long contract that they would not re-work. If Pip and MJ were young teammates now they'd have handed Pip the max instead of the long bad extension he thought was great at the time and the odds are higher he stays there. A superstar in his prime normally can get both a winning situation as well as his money, so Kobe Bryant didn't have to go anywhere to get paid because he is already getting paid.
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Old 02-04-2012, 11:15 AM   #36
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Default Re: Did Joe Johnson make the right decision in leaving Phoenix for Atlanta?

120 million reasons why this thread should have an obvious answer

basketball-wise no he didn't considering how trash they were when he got there and they're still not even at the level of the Suns teams back then

but basketball players are people too, and people love money

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Old 02-04-2012, 11:50 AM   #37
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He still wouldn't have a ring if he stayed in Phoenix. Sure, he'd have a few deeper playoff runs, but how much does that really matter in the end? It's probably more depressing to get to the Conference Finals and come up short than it is to be bounced in the first or second round.

And then there's the max contract... yeah, he made the right decision.
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Old 02-04-2012, 11:53 AM   #38
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Pippen stayed mad at Bull management because he was something like the 6th-highest paid Bull and had a long contract that they would not re-work. If Pip and MJ were young teammates now they'd have handed Pip the max instead of the long bad extension he thought was great at the time and the odds are higher he stays there. A superstar in his prime normally can get both a winning situation as well as his money, so Kobe Bryant didn't have to go anywhere to get paid because he is already getting paid.
I know that, but his agent told him, and hell the media did not to take the extension until after the new CBA took effect. He just jumped the gun. Plus Krause wanted him out.

Then instead of going for a minimum deal with the Lakers, he went to Houston and(traded to) Portland despite Phil wanting him there. He decided to get paid instead. That was my point. I should have elaborated on it more initially.
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Old 02-04-2012, 12:26 PM   #39
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Joe didn't want to be the fourth option behind Stoudemire, Nash and Marion.

He will get 190 million from the Hawks over his 2 contracts.

The Hawks are now clearly the better team, and ownership for the Hawks is better than what the Suns have.

He made the right decision for himself - absolutely.

This is spot on.

He didn't get enough PT, enough shots, etc. So he moved elsewhere. They offered him 45M and he got $70M. Then he got another 119M. Since then Pho hasn't given anyone any money. Amar'e left. And ATL is far superior today and will be moving forward.

So 190M AND being on the better team is decidedly the right choise. Unless you are allergic to money.
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Old 02-04-2012, 01:02 PM   #40
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I think the question should be, did Atlanta make the right decision?

They certainy lucked out with the protected pick they gave Phoenix when it slipped to the protected 3rd spot the year they got Al Horford. If that doesn't happen and the Suns get that pick, and if Diaw (who they also got in the deal) stays productive then this deal could of favored the Suns.
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Old 02-04-2012, 03:13 PM   #41
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I think the question should be, did Atlanta make the right decision?

They certainy lucked out with the protected pick they gave Phoenix when it slipped to the protected 3rd spot the year they got Al Horford. If that doesn't happen and the Suns get that pick, and if Diaw (who they also got in the deal) stays productive then this deal could of favored the Suns.

It certainly wouldn't have ended as well for us if we hadn't gotten lucky with our pick landing at 3 and getting Horford. The 'if Diaw stays productive' clause is a little absurd though lol
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Old 02-04-2012, 03:14 PM   #42
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Money wise? Oh hell yes. But he could have been the missing piece to Steve Nash's ring
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Old 02-04-2012, 03:16 PM   #43
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Joe johnson has a Mcdonalds in his fkin house broo of course he made the right decision

Huh?
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Old 02-04-2012, 03:25 PM   #44
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It certainly wouldn't have ended as well for us if we hadn't gotten lucky with our pick landing at 3 and getting Horford. The 'if Diaw stays productive' clause is a little absurd though lol


I'd might take a productive Diaw and Horford over Joe johnson for those Suns teams that needed more size and interior talent than shooting and scoring.

The bottom line is Johnson is not a max player, and Atlanta lucked out with keeping their pick in the deal.
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Old 02-04-2012, 03:56 PM   #45
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Default Re: Did Joe Johnson make the right decision in leaving Phoenix for Atlanta?

I think people are answering this question the wrong way. When you end up with two max contracts -the last one being the worst contract in history of life- then it's difficult to say you didn't do well, as he would obviously never have gotten that from any other team, much less the Suns.



I think this should be answered from a basketball point of view. I don't think he left because of a contract situation. Unless he was just talkin shit. He left, very openly, because he wanted his own team.



And that is one of the funniest things I've ever heard. This guy was known as something of a pure shooter. This guy was jackin 3's and hitting at a league-leading 48%. He was a solid defender, decent ball-handler, able to play between 2 and 3. Now he's Mr. Iso.



His contract is terrible because he is nothing resembling a max player...he couldn't handle finding his way to all-star games (he would have a few), because 3 other players on his team were better players? It's not like he was playing with someone like Lebron, where he could be overshadowed because of style of play. He was playing with a big 4, playing as a running 5, a "tweener", who scored points but never was a ball-in-hand scorer, and a PG who was running the show and wanted to see everyone else scoring.


If he was playing with a scoring PG, or a big-scoring 2 or 3, I might get it. But the guys he was playing with were peaking at the same time he was, not a bunch of stars who were coming together after being established.


He ended up in Atlanta, a perennial all-star who is insanely penciled in every year and who somehow made an All-NBA Team...please.

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