Ben Carson says Jews could have averted the Holocaust if they had been armed.

[TripleA]

Ahh...

Interesting. Well, unfortunately for you, history shows that even impoverished people with guns, as a group, can defeat much larger, much more organized forces.

You, with your anti American views, should be willing to admit to that much.

It depends if the larger more organized group is bent on genocide your screwed. But if they trying to put you in submission or control you have a chance.

[Dbrog]

Ahh...

Interesting. Well, unfortunately for you, history shows that even impoverished people with guns, as a group, can defeat much larger, much more organized forces.

You, with your anti American views, should be willing to admit to that much.

Dude those are in like...guerrilla warfare scenarios or over extremely large landmasses with a bunch of small villages. Not modern cities.

[Akrazotile]

Ahh...

Interesting. Well, unfortunately for you, history shows that even impoverished people with guns, as a group, can defeat much larger, much more organized forces.

And a lot of it has to do with how willing the large govt army is to get shot at. If you send them off to a foreign land in an official war, ofc theyre going to do what theyre hired to do and all that. If youre asking them to round up fellow countrymen or impose harsh restrictions on fellow citizens, they may do it if theres little resistance since uncle sam is signing the paychecks, but if theyre getting shot at by civilians trying to enforce something they shouodnt be anyway, they might be more inclined to say 'fvck it, im not doin this'

Just depends on the circumstance really.

[UK2K]

Dude those are in like...guerrilla warfare scenarios or over extremely large landmasses with a bunch of small villages. Not modern cities.

Ahh, so the French Resistance was a made up story then.

Got it.

[UK2K]

It depends if the larger more organized group is bent on genocide your screwed. But if they trying to put you in submission or control you have a chance.

Easiest way to defeat an army...

Make it too costly to continue. America has been beat over and over that way.

Now in DW's example, obviously one person with a pistol won't stop the German Army. That's stupid and wasn't even remotely close to the point.

But 6 million people with pistols, then it becomes a cost/benefit issue. I highly doubt they try to round up 6 million Jews for slaughter if they're being shot at every time they go take a piss. Something tells me, they'd probably give up on the idea.

[DeuceWallaces]

Ahh, so the French Resistance was a made up story then.

Got it.

It was mostly a propaganda machine until Normandy.

[DonDadda59]

What?

The Nazis took out whole countries that had armies, air forces, a navy, etc in literally a few weeks. They would've turned their full military might against Jews with some pop guns and framed the extermination as putting down a Jewish conspiracy to take over the government.

[TripleA]

And a lot of it has to do with how willing the large govt army is to get shot at. If you send them off to a foreign land in an official war, ofc theyre going to do what theyre hired to do and all that. If youre asking them to round up fellow countrymen or impose harsh restrictions on fellow citizens, they may do it if theres little resistance since uncle sam is signing the paychecks, but if theyre getting shot at by civilians trying to enforce something they shouodnt be anyway, they might be more inclined to say 'fvck it, im not doin this'

Just depends on the circumstance really.

It really matters whats mattes the purpose. If the purpose is kill the people than the smaller group is done.

[DeuceWallaces]

Easiest way to defeat an army...

Make it too costly to continue. America has been beat over and over that way.

Now in DW's example, obviously one person with a pistol won't stop the German Army. That's stupid and wasn't even remotely close to the point.

But 6 million people with pistols, then it becomes a cost/benefit issue. I highly doubt they try to round up 6 million Jews for slaughter if they're being shot at every time they go take a piss. Something tells me, they'd probably give up on the idea.

Do you have any understanding of the holocaust? Jews were not a unified group, army, militia or anything resembling that.

[UK2K]

Do you have any understanding of the holocaust? Jews were not a unified group, army, militia or anything resembling that.

And why would they be?

With no way to defend themselves, what's the point?

But thousands upon thousands enlisted in foreign militaries, or joined insurgent type groups. I guess they did want to be able to fight back after all.

[UK2K]

It was mostly a propaganda machine until Normandy.

Agreed.

But they were there nonetheless. They still diverted troops from the front lines (with allied arms and supplies).

And most importantly, they didn't roll over and die like some in this country would have us do.

I get it. If someone kicks in your door ,you'd rather hide and hope for the best.

Not me. I wouldn't.

[TripleA]

Easiest way to defeat an army...

Make it too costly to continue. America has been beat over and over that way.

Now in DW's example, obviously one person with a pistol won't stop the German Army. That's stupid and wasn't even remotely close to the point.

But 6 million people with pistols, then it becomes a cost/benefit issue. I highly doubt they try to round up 6 million Jews for slaughter if they're being shot at every time they go take a piss. Something tells me, they'd probably give up on the idea.

In the Rwandan Genocide the political elite indoctrinated the Hutu people into almost killing a entire group of people. They had the miltia aid in the killing and killed any Hutus who opposed the genocide. If the Tutsi people were killed by their neighbors with machetes. Guns would not make a big difference if they wanted to wipe you out.

[TripleA]

Eventually the moderate Hutus and remaining Tutsi reformed the RGF and regain control of Rwanda. Stopped the violence but it went for 100 days before it ended.

[DeuceWallaces]

Agreed.

But they were there nonetheless. They still diverted troops from the front lines (with allied arms and supplies).

And most importantly, they didn't roll over and die like some in this country would have us do.

I get it. If someone kicks in your door ,you'd rather hide and hope for the best.

Not me. I wouldn't.

What the hell are you talking about? You sound like an idiot. No is saying stand by and let genocide take place without resistance.

The point is no number of guns in the hands of European jews would have changed anything. Ben Carson says it would have. Hence, he is an insensitive moron who is rightly being criticized in the media and this thread for the aforementioned comments; which were not taken out of context.

[Nick Young]

Look anti-gun nuts, do you honestly think the American people are going to vote to change the Second Amendment? Be realistic. A majority of Americans love the second amendment. You can either continue to white about something that will never change, similar to a child whining that he wishes the sun would stop going down every day and the moon will stop coming up, or you can accept things are the way they are and learn to deal.