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Re: remember guys.. the reason Shaq and Kobe only have 1 MVP
The same Kobetards that always follow me getting riled up because I'm not praising their idol.
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Re: remember guys.. the reason Shaq and Kobe only have 1 MVP
bankaii .. you got caught in your wording again. sharpen up, and you wont get clowned. nobodys following you, lol.. you came came into our thread *****.
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Re: remember guys.. the reason Shaq and Kobe only have 1 MVP
Originally Posted by tpols
bankaii .. you got caught in your wording again. sharpen up, and you wont get clowned. nobodys following you, lol.. you came came into our thread *****.
"Kobe only won 1 MVP because Shaq was his teammate".
Why did Kobe not win in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, and 2016 when Shaq wasn't his teammate?
No deflecting, no insults, just answer the question.
And this is like the 4th consecutive thread Cucksfan has posted some irrelevant crap in response to me, he follows me
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Re: remember guys.. the reason Shaq and Kobe only have 1 MVP
Originally Posted by 34-24 Footwork
Funny how Shaqs 1MVP is never used against him. If I didn't know better, it seems like there's an unconscious bias against certain players.
How ya going to use it against him with him winning 3 straight titles, 3 straight FMVP's...while looking at the sic numbers he was putting up in those Finals?
That 1MVP is just more icing on the cake. Most just remember the above ^^^^ cause he was so damn dominant.
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Re: remember guys.. the reason Shaq and Kobe only have 1 MVP
i've calmed down guys ..
and am ready for a rational discussion.
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Re: remember guys.. the reason Shaq and Kobe only have 1 MVP
Was this thread about Curry-Durant situation ?
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Re: remember guys.. the reason Shaq and Kobe only have 1 MVP
shaq and kobe both were snubbed. I can agree it's better just to measure a player's impact and have your own ranking list whether it's for a year or looking how it stacks up all time compared to other greats. Superstar impact wise at their peaks, Kobe doesn't really stand up to the other greats in the top 10 while Shaq might be the most impactful of all time. Most of the other greats have been snubbed for MVP before too so your point about Kobe being underrated by looking at accolades doesn't necessarily stand up. Plenty of people think Lebron should have like 6 for example which ik is the player you're arguing against(you've seen enough of 4/3>1/2).
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Re: remember guys.. the reason Shaq and Kobe only have 1 MVP
Originally Posted by NBAGOAT
Superstar impact wise at their peaks, Kobe doesn't really stand up to the other greats in the top 10 while Shaq might be the most impactful of all time. .
thats just not true at all .. you're probably looking at things from a pure stats perspective since you're new to the game, and ignoring the intangible aspect of things. Shaq always dominated regular seasons, and playoffs statistically but he had a lot of key weaknesses that held him back from winning more.
it's already been documented in this thread by jstern about "shaq missing 15-30 games a season" How does that speak to his work ethic? his motivation? his leading by example for teammates? We can add on the hack a shaq method which rendered his efficiency much lower than usually presented, and lack of closing ability but that would be piling on.
Facts are Shaq is the most physically dominant player of all time with A+ skill to boot and great stats, but he lacked intangibles.. namely effort and its contagious effect, to truly capitilize on what he was given. Thats why he needed Dwayne Wade and Kobe Bryant to win, while Kobe only needed Pau, Odom and filler.
Dedication. Work Ethic. Leading by example. No holes. These are all things Shaq didn't have, that Kobe did have which made the difference in their success.. namely kobe winning more w/ less.
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Re: remember guys.. the reason Shaq and Kobe only have 1 MVP
Shaq didnt win because of missed games, thats all... no biggie.
Kobe it was just not being good enough.
When was he ever even an MVP level player?
Only in 2003, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009... that is not alot.
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Re: remember guys.. the reason Shaq and Kobe only have 1 MVP
but guys, Shaq vs Kobe is not the point of this thread.. lets not go full troll mode. the point is they werent going to get recognition together because they were on too similar a plane. it wouldn't make any sense...
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Re: remember guys.. the reason Shaq and Kobe only have 1 MVP
Originally Posted by tpols
thats just not true at all .. you're probably looking at things from a pure stats perspective since you're new to the game, and ignoring the intangible aspect of the things. Shaq always dominated regular seasons, and playoffs statistically but he had a lot of key weaknesses that held him back from winning more.
it's already been documented in this thread by jstern about "shaq missing 15-30 games a season" How does that speak to his work ethic? his motivation? his leading by example for teammates? We can pile on the hack a shaq method which rendered his efficiency much lower than usually presented, and lack of closing ability but that would be piling on.
Facts are Shaq is the most physically dominant player of all time with A+ skill to boot and great stats, but he lacked intangibles.. namely effort, to truly capitilize on what he was given. Thats why he need Dwayne Wade and Kobe Bryant to win, while Kobe only needed Pau, Odom and filler.
Dedication. Work Ethic. Leading by example. No holes. These are all things Shaq didn't have that Kobe had which made the difference in their success.. namely kobe winning more w/ less to work with.
effort is pretty much a regular season problem, Shaq showed up fine in the playoffs. That doesn't even matter anyway since I'm not talking careers, I'm talking for one year specifically 2000. It's why I specifically said peaks. Shaq played 79 games in 2000 and his effort was great especially on defense. Shaq needed Kobe to win but he also faced tougher top end competition in the West in the Blazers and Kings. Help is relative, the only team with more talent than the 08-10 Lakers were the Celtics during that time. Also, are you really going try to claim Shaq deserves all the blame for 03 and 04? Kobe has holes to his game please. No player is perfect and one of Kobe's flaws is his shot selection was downright stupid at times even if he was playing with Smush and Kwame. Finally, being well rounded can get overrated. I prefer dominance in one area over just be decent to good in multiple areas.
Originally Posted by tpols
but guys, Shaq vs Kobe is not the point of this thread.. lets not go full troll mode. the point is they werent going to get recognition together because they were on too similar a plane. it wouldn't make any sense...
Shaq really got snubbed 1 year and that was 01. Iverson had a great carryjob and had 31ppg so it was pretty understandable he got MVP. Media views the game differently now or Harden would've gotten MVP last year. Kobe was never the best player in the league when playing with Shaq so those years have nothing to do with why Kobe only has 1 MVP.
Last edited by NBAGOAT; 07-17-2016 at 07:01 PM.
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Re: remember guys.. the reason Shaq and Kobe only have 1 MVP
didn't want to keep going .. but fine.
you caught me with this.
Originally Posted by NBAGOAT
Shaq needed Kobe to win but he also faced tougher top end competition in the West in the Blazers and Kings. Help is relative, the only team with more talent than the 08-10 Lakers were the Celtics during that time.
What? lmao.. Kobe was the one beasting through the early 00s West. funny how you didnt name drop the Lakers biggest adversary at the time.. the San Antonio Spurs. That tells me all I need to know lol.
Stop trolling.
And lets let the thread get back on topic.
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