Re: 2017-2018 regular season...back to square one again
Originally Posted by Xiao Yao You
In other words, the Hayward pity party is long since over. “We’re past that point,” Gobert told USA TODAY Sports recently about how they recovered from the loss of Hayward last summer. “It doesn’t matter who’s with me, or who’s not with me. I’m just trying to win. I’m not worried about that.” – via USA Today Sports
The 25-year-old is thrilled that Jazz general manager Dennis Lindsey didn’t choose to go the rebuilding route. They landed rookie sensation Donovan Mitchell in a draft-night trade with Denver, made key free agent signings and trades, continued to focus on player development, and now find themselves looking as dangerous as any team around. “Just try to teach players how to make winning plays, not only good basketball plays but winning plays,” Gobert said in explaining coach Quin Snyder’s system. “Teach every single one to help the team win games. A lot of teams are very good doing skill work, strength work. But if you want to win, you have to teach a player how to win. That’s why I don’t believe in tanking, all that stuff. I believe you learn how to win by winning. You don’t learn how to win by losing on purpose to get a 19-year-old who you’ve never seen.” – via USA Today Sports
Agreed Rudy. Maybe one day the Jazz will be all in
This year's healthy jazz
Would absolutely embarrass last year’s squad…..
Dm is arguably (actually really is)… more impactfull as a rookie then hayward was as a fringe all star as a veteran…..
To be completely honest… I wouldn’t trade dm for literally more then half of this seasons all stars…… considering the future…..
Not to mention gobert and favors are a year further developed….
Gobert is doing things this year we only dreamed of…..
This year’s (healthy) squad is probably pushing gsw for the 2nd seed…..
Is last year's team healthy? I think people forget how great Hill was before he hurt his toe. He was arguably their best player. Is it against playoff Hayward? That's a player Mitchell can not compare with yet. Last year they were better offensively because they put 4 shooters around Rudy. He was averaging over 17 a game to end last year. I really think people forget how good that team was with even more injuries.
This is important to understanding this season’s squad because our team has been a fundamentally different squad in the second half. After accumulating 28 losses to get our first 19 wins, we have needed only 2 losses in our subsequent 21 wins. That is bonkers.
The 2014-15 team compares if we look at it like that. And that team was not as good
Gobert >> Gobert
Scored more last year because they had better spacing
Rubio right now >> Hill at this point last year
Highly debatable. He's not close to the November version though. You know the version who didn't need months to get familiar with his teammates before he showed up to play
Burks’ bench game >>> last year Burks’ bench game
He doesn't even play!
Exum >> Exum
Neto < Neto
He's certainly much improved
The big difference to me is Ricky plays big minutes and usually sucks! Exum wasn't always in the rotation either and I'm sure he will be the rest of this year.
At the time, it appeared that even without “trying” to tank, the Jazz were going to achieve the very purpose that the TankNoters were looking for, simply by being a team that wasn’t very good. However, many of us who were vehemently opposed to the idea saw that despite the struggles the team was going through, this was still a special squad.
You really are too much! You were all for getting rid of Rubio earlier in the year. Now they are special!
Considering the caliber of players on the roster and the brilliance of the head coach, once the team became healthy and got past the brutal stretches in December and January, several Jazz fans were confident that this team could get back to its winning ways. Did we know that Utah would rattle off 21 wins in 23 games? Of course not! I don’t think anybody truly saw this electrifying run coming in such a fashion. But that’s still besides the point.
Get back to me when the coach shows his brilliance without Gobert or the GM shows his minus the Gobert pick or the team shows anything without Rudy. It's all about 1 player and has been for more than 3 years yet the media wants to keep trying to make you believe otherwise(not that I would consider this joke of a site media!)
Even if Utah hadn’t turned it around as drastically as they have, this team always had the potential to be special, and tanking was never ever on their agenda nor in their DNA. Giving up on the season or throwing in the towel was never an option
Sure it was. It's a team that has never been all in. A GM that responded to a similar finish in 2014-15 by signing Pleiss and Neto and not the veteran pg they obviously needed(and still do!). Eventually getting a 3rd stringer to save them when it was too late. Finally went half way in when they were trying to make Hayward happy but still not all in so they could get Ricky! They've tanked before. They'll tank again
, even if the losses had continued and a .500 record had remained just out of reach. Especially now that the Jazz have turned it around, as many believed they could even if not to this extent, the call to ever tank in the first place seems even more ludicrous than before.
I'm not one that likes tanking but it certainly wasn't ludicrous. If they face GS or Houston in round 1 it would still seem like a good idea
It was never in the Jazz’s plans, never should have been and never should be.
But it was and probably still would be if they hadn't gotten lucky with Rudy
Some on social media have admitted the folly of their former #TankNote ways, and I applaud them. The truth is, we all make mistakes at some point when it comes to our fandom. For example, I’m guilty of being far too harsh on Ricky Rubio earlier in the season. He’s proved me wrong dozens of times over since then, and I couldn’t be happier to own up to that error.
But you are just a clueless flip flopper. You even flip flopped on your favorite player Hood!
Tanking is never the answer. Not now, not then, not ever. And especially not with a Rookie of the Year contender, a Defensive Player of the Year contender and a Coach of the Year contender on your squad.
The coach of the year was the main reason to consider tanking. They were losing games because of his insistence to play Hood and Rubio 30 minutes a night regardless. Now Exum is playing over Burks(and eventually Neto). COTY?
I had been feeling good about Utah’s chances going into the week and correctly pinned them to do exactly what they did – win all three of their contests last week.
Plus, the Hawks are a pathetic 5-28 on the road
Without Rudy the Jazz are even worse!
Fun fact – Matthews actually FINISHED THE GAME against Memphis despite playing with a broken leg before an MRI on the Monday after the game revealed the fracture. That’s either lunacy or the toughest thing I’ve ever heard of.
Never heard of Jack Youngbood I take it
He also alluded to the possibility that Cuban’s tanking comments have the Mavs under a microscope if they were to try to pull any sort of stunt, but even if that weren’t the case, I don’t think it’s in the DNA of Nowitzki, head coach Rick Carlisle or the rest of the Mavericks vets to aim to lose. With all that adding up, this is a game in which the Jazz will need to be cautious, and it could turn out to be a real challenge for them.
I don't think people really get what tanking is. I don't think any players are trying to lose games. When the front office and coach isn't putting the best team on the floor it is tanking. You think the Jazz were trying to win games in 2014 without veterans on the team? Unfortunately for them Rudy ruined their grand plans
Re: 2017-2018 regular season...back to square one again
Replying to @bdetrick and @talkhoops
Which is exactly what Gobert was quoted as saying....Snyder is teaching players to win instead of just giving them playing time. Gobert didnt just become a great he was developed. Drafting smart at the 27th pick instead of tanking...voila!
Lots of guys are developed. Some have natural gifts and put in the work. I've yet to see anything to give Snyder the credit as much as the media loves to do so as they did with Sloan making Stockton/Malone HOFers!