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Old 07-18-2007, 07:24 AM   #136
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It is funny, I don't remember reading this much vitriol over Fran Vasquez refusing to play for Orlando? I don't remember hearing F*ck Socialist Spain. Curious.
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Old 07-18-2007, 07:42 AM   #137
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It is funny, I don't remember reading this much vitriol over Fran Vasquez refusing to play for Orlando? I don't remember hearing F*ck Socialist Spain. Curious.

BTW, Vazquez stayed in Spain not because he didn't want to play for another franchise than Orlando, but because of being able to get more by staying and obeying to what his girlfriend wanted...
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Old 07-18-2007, 07:46 AM   #138
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BTW, Vazquez stayed in Spain not because he didn't want to play for another franchise than Orlando, but because of being able to get more by staying and obeying to what his girlfriend wanted...

What's the difference? Yi doesn't want to leave Mil because he believes more Asians will be in the stands. He wants to play in a market like Golden State because it would basically give him an exclusive advertising market segment...thus a better financial opportunity.

God where does ISH find these morons?
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Old 07-18-2007, 07:50 AM   #139
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What's the difference? Yi doesn't want to leave Mil because he believes more Asians will be in the stands. He wants to play in a market like Golden State because it would basically give him an exclusive advertising market segment...thus a better financial opportunity.

God where does ISH find these morons?
It's not the same not wanting to play in the NBA than not wanting to play for a given team in the NBA, do you understand?
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Old 07-18-2007, 08:43 AM   #140
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The difference is that Vasquez made no attempts to fight NBA customs and rules. He worked out for teams, got drafted, and decided the NBA wasn't for him.

Yi on the other hand basically refused to participate in the draft altogether. He skipped the combine, didn't work out for teams, and submitted a small list of teams he's willing to play for. Instead of saying that he'd rather play in a different league that is more to his liking, he's trying to change or get around how the NBA works. It's disrespectful to act like you're above the league - if you can't respect the league, join a different one. Vasquez did that, Yi didn't.
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Old 07-18-2007, 08:53 AM   #141
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You're such a joke. I really don't even find your opinion relevant in these Yi threads. You're already bias as a Bucks fan, and you want to defend them even though they've made one of the stupidest moves in recent draft history.

And you're such a tool, it's pathetic.

One minute you're saying how Yi will be great for the Bucks because they just hired a new big man's coach. (http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthr...=47612&page=24) and putting a picture of him in your avatar.

The next minute you're bashing him, because his people don't want him playing for your $hitty team (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...t=49283&page=3)

Basketball terrorist? In this day and age you ought to know what a terrorist is, and how that's not even funny.

Loser.

This isn't about basketball, it's about business. Get that through your thick skull.

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Old 07-18-2007, 09:56 AM   #142
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My two opinions are not mutually exclusive. I think Yi will be a great player in time, and I dislike him as a person.
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Old 07-18-2007, 09:57 AM   #143
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You're such a joke. I really don't even find your opinion relevant in these Yi threads. You're already bias as a Bucks fan, and you want to defend them even though they've made one of the stupidest moves in recent draft history.

And you're such a tool, it's pathetic.

One minute you're saying how Yi will be great for the Bucks because they just hired a new big man's coach. (http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthr...=47612&page=24) and putting a picture of him in your avatar.

The next minute you're bashing him, because his people don't want him playing for your $hitty team (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...t=49283&page=3)

Basketball terrorist? In this day and age you ought to know what a terrorist is, and how that's not even funny.

Loser.

This isn't about basketball, it's about business. Get that through your thick skull.

Mathius

Why are you calling people names on the internet? That's sorry. If you have a different opinion so be it. In this case you're completely wrong IYO, but that doesn't make you a loser, or pathetic. Just wrong.

As Adamcz already pointed out, there is a precedent for this sort of thing. Trading Yi away, (barring some ridiculous offer) is the worst case scenario for Milwaukee. Worse even than getting nothing for him at all. The franchises in the past who let a player dictate his destination all look foolish in hindsight. And they should...despite what many people are saying, the Bucks do have all the leverage. Losing one first rounder is relatively minor in the grand scheme of running an NBA franchise. Nothing to get too worked up about.
Yi has much more to lose.

I'm also really surprised how many people here are suddenly against the NBA draft. It's a fairly simple, straightforward process: You want to play in the NBA, you enter the draft. If you don't like it, you don't have to play in the NBA.
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Old 07-18-2007, 10:13 AM   #144
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You're such a joke. I really don't even find your opinion relevant in these Yi threads. You're already bias as a Bucks fan, and you want to defend them even though they've made one of the stupidest moves in recent draft history.

And you're such a tool, it's pathetic.

One minute you're saying how Yi will be great for the Bucks because they just hired a new big man's coach. (http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthr...=47612&page=24) and putting a picture of him in your avatar.

The next minute you're bashing him, because his people don't want him playing for your $hitty team (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...t=49283&page=3)

Basketball terrorist? In this day and age you ought to know what a terrorist is, and how that's not even funny.

Loser.

This isn't about basketball, it's about business. Get that through your thick skull.

Mathius

Yes, it is possible to like and dislike aspects of a person and their actions. Obviously, a person who writes his name in his posts must feel a sense of entitlement. You are entitled to go finger yourself.
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Old 07-18-2007, 10:58 AM   #145
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If Yi were a young, inner city African-American youth, he'd be crucified.


Not really, Kobe( from Philly) and Steve Francis( from DC area) both refused to play for the teams that drafted them.
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Old 07-18-2007, 04:49 PM   #146
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It is funny, I don't remember reading this much vitriol over Fran Vasquez refusing to play for Orlando? I don't remember hearing F*ck Socialist Spain. Curious.


Fran just straight out DIDNT GO TO THE NBA, period. It's different than China making demands and saying "trade him to abig market"
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Old 07-18-2007, 05:01 PM   #147
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F*CK SOCIALIST SPAIN!

Also, a few good reasons (besides how they handle their athletes) to dislike the Chinese government:

http://www.hrw.org/doc?t=asia&c=china

http://thereport.amnesty.org/eng/Reg...-Pacific/China

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Old 07-18-2007, 05:03 PM   #148
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You're such a joke. I really don't even find your opinion relevant in these Yi threads. You're already bias as a Bucks fan, and you want to defend them even though they've made one of the stupidest moves in recent draft history.

And you're such a tool, it's pathetic.

One minute you're saying how Yi will be great for the Bucks because they just hired a new big man's coach. (http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthr...=47612&page=24) and putting a picture of him in your avatar.

The next minute you're bashing him, because his people don't want him playing for your $hitty team (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...t=49283&page=3)

Basketball terrorist? In this day and age you ought to know what a terrorist is, and how that's not even funny.

Loser.

This isn't about basketball, it's about business. Get that through your thick skull.

Mathius


How can you actually justify defending Yi's actions?

First of all, the job metaphor that someone threw out is 100% correct. If you're a unproven new guy and a company wants to hire you, do you think the company will allow you to make demands like "I don't want to work in this office, I want to be there, or I don't like this desk , give me another desk"???

Yi should be priviledge nad honored to have the opportunity to play for the NBA, who is he to make demands?

And also, if players can just make demands like this, then they might as well shut down all the small market teams in Utah, Indiana, etc, because unless you're FROM there, no way in hell would a 20 something instant millionaire ever CHOOSE to live in those cities over a LA or a NY.

How can you defend Yi's actions or feel it's right? Do you know how insulting that is to the entire city of Milwaukee and the FRANCHISE that some unproven guy who has the opportunity to make more money in one year than his parents would have in 10 lifetimes to diss them like that?

Are you Asian or what? Cause it has to be Asians that are defending Yi right now... I can't see any other way someone can believe there is nothing wrong with what he's doing.
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Old 07-18-2007, 05:41 PM   #149
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How can you actually justify defending Yi's actions?

First of all, the job metaphor that someone threw out is 100% correct. If you're a unproven new guy and a company wants to hire you, do you think the company will allow you to make demands like "I don't want to work in this office, I want to be there, or I don't like this desk , give me another desk"???

Yi should be priviledge nad honored to have the opportunity to play for the NBA, who is he to make demands?

And also, if players can just make demands like this, then they might as well shut down all the small market teams in Utah, Indiana, etc, because unless you're FROM there, no way in hell would a 20 something instant millionaire ever CHOOSE to live in those cities over a LA or a NY.

How can you defend Yi's actions or feel it's right? Do you know how insulting that is to the entire city of Milwaukee and the FRANCHISE that some unproven guy who has the opportunity to make more money in one year than his parents would have in 10 lifetimes to diss them like that?

Are you Asian or what? Cause it has to be Asians that are defending Yi right now... I can't see any other way someone can believe there is nothing wrong with what he's doing.

Before I respond, I just want to let you know that I'm just pointing something out and not trying to justify Yi's actions or change the way the NBA works.

Personally, I don't think the job metaphor works with Yi's situation. It contradicts itself in a subtle way.

We can consider Yi to be the un-employed worker, but it's not fair to call the entire NBA or the NBA draft "the company" and then label the entire Milwaukee Bucks organization as "a desk".

We can however (maybe), consider the NBA "the company" and each NBA team smaller divisions of the company. It's not fair if Yi (meaning himself and any representation of Yi Jianlian) applied to the company, saying he would take up any division that needed him and then once he was hired, complain to be asked about transferring to another division.

But Yi put on his application "Only willing to work for certain divisions" (as proved by his summer workouts). Now if the company hires him and then puts him on a division that Yi did not apply for... that's like a doctor applying at a hospital and then the hospital giving the doctor a as a food worker in its cafeteria. Of course Yi has something to be upset about, he outlined his demands and the company handled it poorly.

Now I'm not saying that just because the company hired Yi and put him at a division he didn't want doesn't mean that the company must yield to Yi's complaints and promote him up. But should the company have hired him in the first place?

"First of all, the job metaphor that someone threw out is 100% correct. If you're a unproven new guy and a company wants to hire you"

Why?? If you're an unproven new guy AND you demand not to work for a certain branch in a company... WHY does that company STILL hire you and put you in that branch? And then when you become confused and re-affirm your original request, people start bashing you and start talking about how you should be happy to be making money in the company in the first place.

But this un-employed worker can just as easily go back to working for his old company which includes not just the CBA but sponserships as well in a vastly expanding market in China.

So for the representatives of Yi, why should they be happy that Yi is in Milwaukee? Yi can make even more money going back to China if that's the case.

That's just what I think. If the Bucks had picked someone else, all this could have been avoided.
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Old 07-18-2007, 06:44 PM   #150
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Before I respond, I just want to let you know that I'm just pointing something out and not trying to justify Yi's actions or change the way the NBA works.

Personally, I don't think the job metaphor works with Yi's situation. It contradicts itself in a subtle way.

We can consider Yi to be the un-employed worker, but it's not fair to call the entire NBA or the NBA draft "the company" and then label the entire Milwaukee Bucks organization as "a desk".

We can however (maybe), consider the NBA "the company" and each NBA team smaller divisions of the company. It's not fair if Yi (meaning himself and any representation of Yi Jianlian) applied to the company, saying he would take up any division that needed him and then once he was hired, complain to be asked about transferring to another division.

But Yi put on his application "Only willing to work for certain divisions" (as proved by his summer workouts). Now if the company hires him and then puts him on a division that Yi did not apply for... that's like a doctor applying at a hospital and then the hospital giving the doctor a as a food worker in its cafeteria. Of course Yi has something to be upset about, he outlined his demands and the company handled it poorly.

Now I'm not saying that just because the company hired Yi and put him at a division he didn't want doesn't mean that the company must yield to Yi's complaints and promote him up. But should the company have hired him in the first place?

"First of all, the job metaphor that someone threw out is 100% correct. If you're a unproven new guy and a company wants to hire you"

Why?? If you're an unproven new guy AND you demand not to work for a certain branch in a company... WHY does that company STILL hire you and put you in that branch? And then when you become confused and re-affirm your original request, people start bashing you and start talking about how you should be happy to be making money in the company in the first place.

But this un-employed worker can just as easily go back to working for his old company which includes not just the CBA but sponserships as well in a vastly expanding market in China.

So for the representatives of Yi, why should they be happy that Yi is in Milwaukee? Yi can make even more money going back to China if that's the case.

That's just what I think. If the Bucks had picked someone else, all this could have been avoided.


Then what shuold happen is Yi shuodn't play in the NBA. Not demand trades. I will personally be saddened if in the end, Yi ends up having his way. It just wouldn't be fair.

And I shuoldn't refer to the culprit as Yi, but more the Chinese government.

And as for the "if Bucks had picked someone else, all this could have been avoided" line.

Thats't he problem... The Bucks shouldn't have had to pick someone else. This is the major issue here and that is why everyone thinks Yi is wrong. It's YOUR CHOICE to enter the NBA draft, the NBA draft works a certain way, you can't just say "don't pick me Milwaukee I don't want to play for you". Then what is the point of an NBA draft if new playesr has a say like this?

Who's to stop OJ Mayo from coming in next year and say "I will not play for anyteam but the Lakers". Then why even have a draft? And small market teams will continue to get shunned if the league continues to let it happen.

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