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Old 04-29-2007, 05:45 PM   #1
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the kid show potential, but he his hurting his squad in this series.
one of the many keys to beating the Suns is to NOT let them come out of the gate fast. Farmar is getting destroyed; to wit, Nash had 9 assists in the 1st quarter today. At the other end, Farmar offers ZERO offense...he's no threat.
Either start Shammond or Sasha.
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Old 04-29-2007, 05:51 PM   #2
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I would start Shammond or bring in the veteran Mckie because a veteran right now is what we might just need. But please dont bring back Smush.
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Old 04-29-2007, 07:45 PM   #3
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LOL, I knew it would happen eventually...

Blame the PG, blame the PG. Like Nash doesn't do that every game.

Folks, it's all about interior defense, overall athleticism and talented defenders.. Face it.

This team needs a complete makeover, no PG will have success against Nash, especially not in this weak ass system.

Even a freaking Ron Artest doesn't look all that good defensively on a pathetic small Kings team.

We need to start with interior defense. Period.

How hard is that to see? My God.
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Old 04-29-2007, 09:39 PM   #4
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LOL, I knew it would happen eventually...

Blame the PG, blame the PG. Like Nash doesn't do that every game.

Folks, it's all about interior defense, overall athleticism and talented defenders.. Face it.

This team needs a complete makeover, no PG will have success against Nash, especially not in this weak ass system.

Even a freaking Ron Artest doesn't look all that good defensively on a pathetic small Kings team.

We need to start with interior defense. Period.

How hard is that to see? My God.

FYI, we talking about this series, right now, and the role of the PG. it is not about interior D, nor Odom, nor Kwame, nor Bynum. kwame and bynum is all we have in the middle. would we like them to play better, OBVIOUSLY. but we do have 3 diff options at the PG. of course non of them are ideal. This thread was about D-ing up on Nash. NOT about interior D. Please try to stick to the thread if you feel the need to comment. Please feel free to start another thread about interior D if you so desire.
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Old 04-30-2007, 12:33 AM   #5
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LOL, I knew it would happen eventually...

Blame the PG, blame the PG. Like Nash doesn't do that every game.

Folks, it's all about interior defense, overall athleticism and talented defenders.. Face it.

This team needs a complete makeover, no PG will have success against Nash, especially not in this weak ass system.

Even a freaking Ron Artest doesn't look all that good defensively on a pathetic small Kings team.

We need to start with interior defense. Period.

How hard is that to see? My God.

I'm with you. I have been saying from the beginning that defense nowadays is impossible for a PG. Whether you try or not you're still fukced against star guards.

I see Jason Kidd getting smoked by TJ Ford in the playoffs and Kidd is supposed to be very good.

Whatever. Either way we lost the playoffs.
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Old 04-30-2007, 12:44 AM   #6
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the kid show potential, but he his hurting his squad in this series.
one of the many keys to beating the Suns is to NOT let them come out of the gate fast. Farmar is getting destroyed; to wit, Nash had 9 assists in the 1st quarter today. At the other end, Farmar offers ZERO offense...he's no threat.
Either start Shammond or Sasha.

we have not had a decent defender in the position all season, how many PG's had career nights against us this year?

to adress farmar, he's obviously out classed by nash and feeling some of the pressure of the moment.. sasha is a pesky defender but he tends to draw fould to easy i'd start farmar and keep him on a short leash, if he starts to struggle put in shammond he seems to fight thru the screens fairly well...

nash is just so dman quick and his court awarness is second to none, i have no idea how to stop him, and looking at his stats this season, the lakes are not the only team to have this problem...
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Old 04-30-2007, 06:50 AM   #7
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FYI, we talking about this series, right now, and the role of the PG. it is not about interior D, nor Odom, nor Kwame, nor Bynum. kwame and bynum is all we have in the middle. would we like them to play better, OBVIOUSLY. but we do have 3 diff options at the PG. of course non of them are ideal. This thread was about D-ing up on Nash. NOT about interior D. Please try to stick to the thread if you feel the need to comment. Please feel free to start another thread about interior D if you so desire.




Love the flip flooping. It's always about interior defense. This is also about interior defense. You need an anchor, you need tough defenders that will keep the defenders out of the lane.

How do you think the Lakers stopped Parker a few years? Game 1 and 2 he was killing us and from that time on, he was on his usual 15 ppg or something.
How did that happen?

Why isn't Iverson killing the Spurs with his penatration?

Why isn't Artest a DPOY candidate anymore?

It all comes down to interior defense. Individual defense can only take you so far, in the end it's that team defense that makes the defense good and it starts from having the good interior defenders.

But yeah, keep blaming our PG's for our poor defense year after year, day after day and apperently after every 5 games.
That's much easier than just acknowledging the real problem.

5 games ago, Smush was blamed for not trying. Now Farmar is getting blamed for not being effective. 2 years ago, Atkins was blamed....don't mind the fact that last year he was the part of the best defensive team in the league.

LOL.

Which brings me to my next point and how right I am.

The Lakers have tweener at the PF. When's the last time a team with no big men at the PF was good on defense? Because Odom isn't really a big men.

Look at the Wizards, look at their defensive talent. Still not a good defensive team.
Kings? Ditto.

You can't afford to have a tweener at the PF unless you have a monster at the C like Ben Wallace or Shaq or something.

Odom isn't even defensive minded or tough. Luke Walton as a starter...please.

The Lakers have no defensive cornerstone and that's the problem.
And frontcourt defense is what at least 70 % of defense is about.
FRONTCOURT DEFENSE.

Remember that. Frontcourt defense.

Not the PG defense. Grow up. It's nice to have guards that stay in front of their man but with all the switching and stuff, your guard will get beaten but then other defenders need to prevent easy baskets and make it tough for the other team. The Lakers don't have that.

So, keep blaming PG's. Good luck finding the one that will singlehandedly stop Nash or something. Goooood luck.

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Old 04-30-2007, 10:42 AM   #8
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^ the above is a superficial "analysis" of the Laker problems on defense, however they go much deeper. And yes, the PG does play a big part in that as does the interior defense, as does the TEAM itself.



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Old 04-30-2007, 11:15 AM   #9
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Superficial? Not really. I don't blame one person.

But it's very simple. We don't have individual defensive talent and there aren't many schemes that Phil can use IMO which means we have no defensive talent and no team defense.
The whole team defense is to blame but for team defense to be successful, you need individual talent.

You think Tony Parker would look good against Allen Iverson without Tim Duncan protecting him? Not really.

It usually starts with the interior.
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Old 04-30-2007, 02:29 PM   #10
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That "one person" is gone now and things have gotten worse to tell you the truth.

Farmar started game 2 and Smush only played 4 minutes and look at the end result. a 30 point loss. How often do we have those?

The better question is, when is the last time we had a great Defensive guard starting for us?

Magic Johnson never played D, Nick Van Exel was just a pick pocket like smush, Gary Payton stopped trying, Chucky Atkins was like Steve Nash on D, Smush steals and pressures the guard dribbling up court. Then we get mad because his weak 180 pound frame gets caught up in picks.

How is a guard supposed to play defense without touching anymore? If any guard in the NBA can shut down another guard, you guys gimme a call and let me know.
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Old 04-30-2007, 03:04 PM   #11
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We can throw blame to everything on why we cant contain nash. It reallly doesnt matter who we throw at nash at the point because lets face it, none of out point guards are even close to being a starting point guard.

Theres really not much we can do to contain nash. Theres not one guard in the league who can contain a guy like nash. This guy is one of the best point guards of all time and he usually has his way against every team he plays against. He may struggle more against defensive squads lik the spurs, but he is such a great offensive talent and can break down the best defensive talents in the league.

The problem is both our point guard D and interior D. We need a pg who can at least stay with nash and not get blown by all the time. But your bigs are your back up plan when the pg D breaks down. GIven that we dont have any defensive specialists, we also dont understand the concept of team D. When you dont have defensive talent, you must be able to at least play with chemistry on the defensive end. We dont communicate and dont make the correct rotations.

Clearly, we need help at the pg, but our entire team needs help on playing basic fundamental defense. Our team does not understand how the play D which is why we cannot handle elite squads. Too many times you see shawn marion getting a lob for an easy dunk or amare goes back door with out being seen and goes for an open dunk. OUr bigs need a better court awareness on the defensive side. kwame is a solid one on one defender against bigs, but as a secondary defender, he is no where to be seen. We need BOTH pg and interior help on the defensive end and until we get that we will remain thei mediocre team
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