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Old 07-17-2019, 11:09 AM   #31
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The Allies came in because the US, UK and France needed to have a say in shaping post-war Europe so as not to let the continent be overrun by Soviet Communism. France and Britain were in ruins and in no position to defend themselves against whatever aggression Stalin wanted to undertake. He'd have had all of Germany from whence to stage the westward expansion of communism.

World-wide socialism was the Soviet endgame and Marxist-Leninist theory taught that it wasn't just probable, it was inevitable.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Hitler was going to defeat the Soviets, if it wasnt for US logistical support for Stalin.
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Old 07-17-2019, 11:16 AM   #32
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Do Bulgarians view the Nazis in a positive light? I know your country was Axis, but how do they view the war all these years later?
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Old 07-17-2019, 12:32 PM   #33
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Do Bulgarians view the Nazis in a positive light? I know your country was Axis, but how do they view the war all these years later?
Somewhat, which is kind of strange considering 45+ years of Soviet propaganda. That has to do with the fact that Europe is turning into a huge melting pot, most locals (actual Ethnic Bulgarians and also most Balkan people in general) would like to protect their national identity and culture. But the breeding of the gypos and economic discrepancies with the West are destroying the region in terms of culture. Btw we were Axis by force not choice. Hitler parked 1.5 million army at the Danube river and gave us two options: you either joins us or get rekt. Greece had the same choice and went with the latter option, got obliterated in two weeks.
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Old 07-17-2019, 12:39 PM   #34
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Oh don't get me wrong. I wasn't condemning Bulgaria for any of that. Just curious about a culture with which I have virtually no familiarity or knowledge. I wonder what it would be like to view the world from such a place.
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Old 07-17-2019, 01:16 PM   #35
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Oh don't get me wrong. I wasn't condemning Bulgaria for any of that. Just curious about a culture with which I have virtually no familiarity or knowledge. I wonder what it would be like to view the world from such a place.
Its quite an interesting perspective tbh. I grew up in post-soviet Bulgaria, and pretty much the current condition of our society is a result of the Soviet heritage. The country (as all countries in the soviet block) were literally separated from the outside world from half a century and when the iron curtain fell, people realized how backwards we were compared to the west and the same time we take huge pride in being what we are (this is valid for all Balkan countries), our history and culture. Which is quite paradoxical (like most things here) considering how much catching up we have to do we are quite stubborn and like to think we are better than everyone, just because we have 1400 years of history and have survived turkish "slavery". I know a lot of people would find it hilarious considering that we are 2nd world shitole compared to most of Europe and N America. But again i grew up listening to my parents and grandparents parroting how "everything" was much better under the socialist regime, regardless of the fact that they take advantage of the benefits of "free market" and they had significant shortages of food and basic items during the socialist regime.

As for Hitler and Nazis, there are quite a lot of myths about Eastern Europe in movies such as Eurotrip. This has to do with the fact that all E. European countries were very monocultural in terms of culture and ethnicity, which is changing quite quickly in Bulgaria and Romania. Nazis really touch the narrative of homogeneous/mono-cultural values and that's the main reason why some people are attracted to Nazi ideology, without realizing that if Hitler had one, we'd be a German province. As for my personal view, if i had to choose between being a German province and continued browning of my country, it's a coin toss for me.
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Old 07-17-2019, 01:30 PM   #36
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But again i grew up listening to my parents and grandparents parroting how "everything" was much better under the socialist regime, regardless of the fact that they take advantage of the benefits of "free market" and they had significant shortages of food and basic items during the socialist regime.


Sounds exactly like current USA except opposite.

Its amazing how reluctant people are to change. I guess its like that everywhere.
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