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Old 06-30-2009, 05:55 PM   #31
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This isn't really about which genre is better, and if some perceived it as such its my bad for not being clear from the beginning.

I more or less, wanna convey how they can both be great lyrically and how they compare.

I've already seen two great examples of this.

So you want to know how the genres compare in terms of lyrical style?

Well that kind of depends more on individual lyricists. Especially with rock it's kind of tough to lump such a wide genre together and say something about the lyrics in general. I mean, you got Bob Dylan making ten obscure references in two sentences on one side, and on the other hand you got Mark Bolan singing "get it on, bang a gong".
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Old 06-30-2009, 05:57 PM   #32
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hip hop lyrics are like little punchlines. You here them and think "oh haha, thats clever". I think rock lyrics are more deep and meaningful.

so you're saying Tupac, Eminem, and Nas don't got meaningful an deep lyrics? Hip Hop lyrics>>>>>>>>>any other lyrics..
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Old 06-30-2009, 06:53 PM   #33
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It looks like rap and rock are mortal enemies...you guys are making it seem like that.
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Old 06-30-2009, 06:54 PM   #34
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It looks like rap and rock are mortal enemies...you guys are making it seem like that.
I dont know about that. IMO, rock with rap can make great music.
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Old 06-30-2009, 06:57 PM   #35
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I dont know about that. IMO, rock with rap can make great music.
like Linkin Park.
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Old 06-30-2009, 06:58 PM   #36
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like Linkin Park.
Exactly.
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Old 06-30-2009, 06:59 PM   #37
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Exactly.
I like Mike Shinoda working with Linkin Park
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Old 06-30-2009, 07:00 PM   #38
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hip hop lyrics are like little punchlines. You here them and think "oh haha, thats clever". I think rock lyrics are more deep and meaningful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVZQdgVcqD8

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Yo, check it one for Charlie Hustle, two for Steady Rock
Three for the fourth comin live, future shock
It's five dimensions, six senses
Seven firmaments of heaven to hell, 8 Million Stories to tell
Nine planets faithfully keep in orbit
with the probable tenth, the universe expands length
The body of my text posess extra strength
Power-lift the powerless up, out of this, towerin inferno
My ink so hot it burn through the journal
I'm blacker than midnight on Broadway and Myrtle
Hip-Hop past all your tall social hurdles
like the nationwide projects, prison-industry complex
Working class poor better keep your alarm set
Streets too loud to ever hear freedom ring
Say it backwards in your sleep, "It's dangerous to dream"
but you chain cats get they CHA-POW, who dead now
Killin fields need blood to graze the cash cow
It's a number game, but **** don't add up somehow
Like I got, sixteen to thirty-two bars to rock it
but only 15% of profits, ever see my pockets like
sixty-nine billion in the last twenty years
spent on national defense but folks still live in fear like
nearly half of America's largest cities is one-quarter black
That's why they gave Ricky Ross all the crack
Sixteen ounces to a pound, twenty more to a ki
A five minute sentence hearing and you're no longer free
40% of Americans own a cell phone
so they can hear, everything that you say when you ain't home
I guess, Michael Jackson was right, "You Are Not Alone"
Rock your hardhat black cause you in the Terrordome
full of hard ******, large ******, dice tumblers
Young teens on prison greens facin life numbers
Crack mothers, crack babies and AIDS patients
Young bloods can't spell but they could rock you in PlayStation
This new math is whippin mother****ers ass
You wanna know how to rhyme you better learn how to add
It's mathematics

[Chorus: scratched by DJ Premier (repeat 2X)]

"The Mighty Mos Def.."
"It's simple mathematics" -> [Fat Joe]
"Check it out!"
"I revolve around science.."
"What are we talking about here?"

.. "Do your math" -> [Erykah Badu (2X)]
.. "One.. t-t-two.. three, four" -> [James Brown]
.. "What are we talking about here?" ..

[Mos Def]
Yo, it's one universal law but two sides to every story
Three strikes and you be in for life, mandatory
Four MC's murdered in the last four years
I ain't tryin to be the fifth one, the millenium is here
Yo it's 6 Million Ways to Die, from the seven deadly thrills
Eight-year olds gettin found with 9 mill's
It's 10 P.M., where your seeds at? What's the deal
They on the hill puffin krill to keep they belly filled
Light in the ass with heavy steel, sights on the pretty **** in life
Young soldiers tryin to earn they next stripe
When the average minimum wage is $5.15
You best believe you gotta find a new grind to get cream
The white unemployment rate, is nearly more than triple for black
so frontliners got they gun in your back
Bubblin crack, jewel theft and robbery to combat poverty
and end up in the global jail economy
Stiffer stipulations attached to each sentence
Budget cutbacks but increased police presence
And even if you get out of prison still livin
join the other five million under state supervision
This is business, no faces just lines and statistics
from your phone, your zip code, to S-S-I digits
The system break man child and women into figures
Two columns for who is, and who ain't ******
Numbers is hardly real and they never have feelings
but you push too hard, even numbers got limits
Why did one straw break the camel's back? Here's the secret:
the million other straws underneath it - it's all mathematics

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[closing scratch] "Mathematics.."
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Old 06-30-2009, 07:06 PM   #39
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In every area, there are idiots. But when it comes to true Music Genius, any genre is equal. Hip Hop is going through a bad strech, and for that, I apologize. I remember being seven years old listening to Biggie on the radio. Now, I avoid the radio because I know that I will not hear good music. In just one generation, Hip Hop went from Fight the Power to Stanky leg.
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Old 06-30-2009, 07:08 PM   #40
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LOL @ anyone who thinks hip hop lyrics have no message.

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It's been twenty-two long hard years of still strugglin
Survival got me buggin, but I'm alive on arrival
I peep at the shape of the streets
And stay awake to the ways of the world cause **** is deep
A man with a dream with plans to make C.R.E.A.M.
Which failed; I went to jail at the age of 15
A young buck sellin drugs and such who never had much
Trying to get a clutch at what I could not... could not...
The court played me short, now I face incarceration
Pacin -- going up state's my destination
Handcuffed in back of a bus, forty of us
Life as a shorty shouldn't be so ruff
But as the world turns I learned life is hell
Living in the world no different from a cell
Everyday I escape from Jakes givin chase, sellin base
Smokin bones in the staircase
Though I don't know why I chose to smoke sess
I guess that's the time when I'm not depressed
But I'm still depressed, and I ask what's it worth?
Ready to give up so I seek the Old Earth
Who explained working hard may help you maintain
to learn to overcome the heartaches and pain
We got stickup kids, corrupt cops, and crack rocks
and stray shots, all on the block that stays hot
Leave it up to me while I be living proof
To kick the truth to the young black youth
But shorty's running wild smokin sess drinkin beer
And ain't trying to hear what I'm kickin in his ear
Neglected, but now, but yo, it gots to be accepted
That what? That life is hectic
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Old 06-30-2009, 07:12 PM   #41
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I did give some rappers credit.

But what Pete whatever just posted is basically what's called "deep" by rappers. Its all just "I lived in the hood. I sold drugs. I saw bad stuff."

I can't relate to any of these things. The details are so specific that there's no room for interpretation the way that there is with rock songs. I don't see anything "deep" about the lyrics posted above. Maybe we have different definitions of deep. Writing about stuff that would be bad to see isn't deep to me.
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Old 06-30-2009, 07:16 PM   #42
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I did give some rappers credit.

But what Pete whatever just posted is basically what's called "deep" by rappers. Its all just "I lived in the hood. I sold drugs. I saw bad stuff."

I can't relate to any of these things. The details are so specific that there's no room for interpretation the way that there is with rock songs. I don't see anything "deep" about the lyrics posted above. Maybe we have different definitions of deep. Writing about stuff that would be bad to see isn't deep to me.

Give these 2 tracks a good listen. This might be more up your alley, and its way more abstract than the typical "live in the hood" type stuff that you're used to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGr7XTB5Ddc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVbBXMzR7z4
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Old 06-30-2009, 07:19 PM   #43
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Give these 2 tracks a good listen. This might be more up your alley, and its way more abstract than the typical "live in the hood" type stuff that you're used to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGr7XTB5Ddc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVbBXMzR7z4
Heard the first one before. Great lyrical song. Don't care for the beat though. There's not alot of rappers with stuff like this where the context is something I can interprete for myself. That's probably my favorite thing about rock music.
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Old 06-30-2009, 07:21 PM   #44
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Heard the first one before. Great lyrical song. Don't care for the beat though. There's not alot of rappers with stuff like this where the context is something I can interprete for myself. That's probably my favorite thing about rock music.

yes there is, you're just not gonna find it on the f*cking radio.
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Old 06-30-2009, 07:22 PM   #45
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Give these 2 tracks a good listen. This might be more up your alley, and its way more abstract than the typical "live in the hood" type stuff that you're used to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGr7XTB5Ddc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVbBXMzR7z4



Does anybody have a rock counter to that?
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