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Old 06-30-2009, 06:26 PM   #46
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Does anybody have a rock counter to that?

KingoftheCourt has a point though. Jay Electronica is def. an exception to the norm nowadays, even in underground hip hop
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Old 06-30-2009, 06:27 PM   #47
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The Times They Are A-changin

If I could find a version of this on Youtube that didn't suck, I would post it. This song is timeless in the sense that no matter what time period you here it in, you can always apply it to the world. Suck on that, rap.
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Old 06-30-2009, 06:28 PM   #48
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I did give some rappers credit.

But what Pete whatever just posted is basically what's called "deep" by rappers. Its all just "I lived in the hood. I sold drugs. I saw bad stuff."

I can't relate to any of these things. The details are so specific that there's no room for interpretation the way that there is with rock songs. I don't see anything "deep" about the lyrics posted above. Maybe we have different definitions of deep. Writing about stuff that would be bad to see isn't deep to me.

Uh, that's not what he's saying, and if you're too blind and stupid to read between the lines and figure out the real message, then you're a lost one, and you'll probably continue to do the same thing to whoever tries to post deep hip hop lyrics.
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Old 06-30-2009, 06:34 PM   #49
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like Linkin Park.
Go to your room.
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Old 06-30-2009, 06:44 PM   #50
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The Times They Are A-changin

If I could find a version of this on Youtube that didn't suck, I would post it. This song is timeless in the sense that no matter what time period you here it in, you can always apply it to the world. Suck on that, rap.

Anybody care to post a hip hop equivalent?
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Old 06-30-2009, 06:45 PM   #51
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Go to your room.
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Old 06-30-2009, 06:47 PM   #52
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@ Linkin Park indeed.

I'm not one of those that will squirm at everything they do, but they aren't the cream of the crop per se.
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Old 06-30-2009, 06:58 PM   #53
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Uh, that's not what he's saying, and if you're too blind and stupid to read between the lines and figure out the real message, then you're a lost one, and you'll probably continue to do the same thing to whoever tries to post deep hip hop lyrics.
I guess i'm not reading between the lines then. Show me how any person could relate to those lyrics. It him talking about being in jail at 15, selling drugs, and getting further legal charges against him. I can't apply this to my suburban white lifestyle.
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I guess i'm not reading between the lines then. Show me how any person could relate to those lyrics. It him talking about being in jail at 15, selling drugs, and getting further legal charges against him. I can't apply this to my suburban white lifestyle.

The funny...





















...where is it?
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Old 06-30-2009, 07:01 PM   #55
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The funny...


















...where is it?
Why don't you go ahead and explain the real meaning behind those lyrics now...
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Old 06-30-2009, 07:10 PM   #56
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Rap's got sufficient examples of storytelling (It Was a Good Day/Dance of the Devil)

metaphors/similies (many examples)

alliteration (Alphabetic Slaughter)

plots (Stan)

heck even predictin' the future a la Deltron 3030

to pass as at least half-assed "good" literature, and these are only the clear-cut mainstream examples. Like enough of the necessary ingredients. Granted the repetitive trash may turn you off but there's many examples out there.
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Old 06-30-2009, 07:15 PM   #57
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Did you see the stylish kids in the riot
We were shovelled up like muck
Set the night on fire
Wombles bleed truncheons and shields
You know I cherish you my love

But there's a rumour spread nasty disease around town
You caught round the houses with your trousers down
A headrush in the bush
You know I cherish you my love
Oh how i cherish you my love

Tell me what can you want now you've got it all
The whole scene is obscene
Time will strip it away
A year and a day
And Bill Bones
Bill Bones knows what I mean
He knows it's eating, it's chewing me up
It's not right for young lungs to be coughing up blood
And it's all
It's all in my hands
And its all up the walls

Well the stale chips are up and the hopes stakes are down
It's these ignorant faces that bring this town down
And I sighed and sunken with pride
I passed myself down on my knees
Yes I passed myself down on my knees

Now tell me what can you want now you've got it all
The whole scene is obscene
Time will strip it away
A year and a day
And Bill Bones
Bill Bones knows what I mean
There are fewer more distressing sights than that
Of an Englishman in a baseball cap
And we'll die in the class we were born
But that's a class of our own my love
A class of our own my love
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Old 06-30-2009, 09:58 PM   #58
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Yo, I'm sure that everbody out listenin agree
That everything you see ain't really how it be
A lot of jokers out runnin in place, chasin the style
Be a lot goin on beneath the empty smile
Most cats in my area be lovin the hysteria
Synthesized surface conceals the interior
America, land of opportunity, mirages and camoflauges
More than usually -- speakin loudly, sayin nothin
You confusin me, you losin me
Your game is twisted, want me enlisted -- in your usary
Foolishly, most men join the ranks cluelessly
Buffoonishly accept the deception, believe the perception
Reflection rarely seen across the surface of the lookin glass
Walkin the street, wonderin who they be lookin past
Lookin gassed with them imported designer shades on
Stars shine bright, but the light -- rarely stays on
Same song, just remixed, different arrangement
Put you on a yacht but they won't call it a slaveship
Strangeness, you don't control this, you barely hold this
Screamin brand new, when they just sanitized the old ****
Suppose it's, just another clever Jedi mind trick
That they been runnin across stars through all the time with
I find it's distressin, there's never no in-between
We either ****** or Kings
We either *****es or Queens
The deadly ritual seems immersed, in the perverse
Full of short attention spans, short tempers, and short skirts
Long barrel automatics released in short bursts
The length of black life is treated with short worth
Get yours first, them other ****** secondary
That type of illin that be fillin up the cemetary
This life is temporary but the soul is eternal
Separate the real from the lie, let me learn you
Not strong, only aggressive, cause the power ain't directed
That's why, we are subjected to the will of the oppressive
Not free, we only licensed
Not live, we just excitin
Cause the captors.. own the masters.. to what we writin
Not compassionate, only polite, we well trained
Our sincerity's rehearsed in stage, it's just a game
Not good, but well behaved cause the ca-me-ra survey
most of the things that we think, do, or say
We chasin after death just to call ourselves brave
But everyday, next man meet with the grave
I give a damn if any fan recall my legacy
I'm tryin to live life in the sight of God's memory

possibly the closest thing to dylan's track in hip hop. the thing is, something like this will never have the same social impact as bobby d's music. we live in a vastly different time to then, especially in terms of social activism and pop culture (and the conflation of the two).

another thing i like about hip hop is the humour of the lyrics. someone like a sean p or an mf doom or a slick rick or a ghostface cracks me up regularly. however, all of them are completely divergent in terms of their humour and their writing. take something like 'batty boys' by mf doom:

Quote:
Wrote this lyric from in the bed wit' a chick
She had the tightest grip around the head of my...

"Bic" now can I get my pen back
Got no enemy, got no friend black
With the green goblin got the batcave robbed
Bust in Batman head bobbin, slobbin Robin's knob (This is a stick up!)
Yall already got you belts on the floor so
Kick them ****s over here and click off the porno
Alfred come home and found them both naked (Master Bruce!)
Handcuff to each other (Huh!) just as he had suspected (Sorry Alfred!)
Red and chrome batmobile wheelin and dealin
Aquaman sleepin with the fishes for real for squealin'

keep in mind that mf doom's persona is the supervillain. while some would regard this track as being a homophobic rant about batman, if you look closer there's obviously something more than that. he is writing this track IN CHARACTER as the supervillain, and attempting defamation of the superheroes of the world. what's the best way to defame someone in hip hop? call them gay (see lil wayne/baby, etc.). it really is quite ingenious, as well as hilarious.
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Old 06-30-2009, 10:03 PM   #59
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Rock can have a wack guitar solo and be rlght, If rap has a wack beat it's horrlble. Show's how many are actually listening to the lyrics.
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Old 06-30-2009, 10:06 PM   #60
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I just don't feel it with rap. The thing with great rock bands is that you've got great istrumentals, great lyrics, great emotion, great vocals. Rap artists don't have instruments, and their voices don't have the same emotion. Sometimes it sounds like they're just reading off a paper.

*although I can't say this for all rap artists

The instruments and vocals are part of great music to me

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