Kobe Deserved Both Of Steve Nash's MVPs

[HOoopCityJones]

Really? Bean leading the Lakers post Shaq to a record of 34-48 while putting up 27.6 PPG on 43% shooting was MVP worthy? Really? Meanwhile the season before a Suns team featuring Amar'e, Marion, Johnson, and Marbury coached by D'Antoni went 29-53 and then a team featuring Amar'e, Marion, Johnson, and Nash coached by D'Antoni went 62-20.

Really?

Other than Nash, Shaq had a case- Heat went from 42 to 59 wins after the trade and he put up 23 PPG (60% FG)/ 10 RPG/ 3 APG/ 2 BPG.

And then that summer the league changed the rules to give perimeter scorers unprecedented offensive freedom and severely handicapped defenses. Kobe put up career scoring numbers with his usual mediocre FG% (45%), as did many others (the 5'11 Iverson put up 33 PPG, 3rd year LeBron put up 31 PPG, Gilbert 'Yosemite Sam' Arenas put up 29). He led the Lakers to 45 wins and the 7th seed.

That same season Dirk put up 27/9/3 (48% FG) while leading the Mavericks to 60 wins, as mentioned above Bron put up 31/7/7 (48% FG) while leading the Cavs to 50 wins, The Suns slowed a bit but Nash put up 19/4/11 (51%) leading the team to 54 wins.

How did Bean have a better case than those 3 while all he did was somewhat outperform Iverson?

Just be happy he stole CP3's MVP in '08 as part of his lifetime achievement award.

Boiled Down.

Suns were stacked

Lakers were not.


Not even Lebron or precious Duncan could've won with that Roster.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Boiled Down.

Suns were stacked

Lakers were not.


Not even Lebron or precious Duncan could've won with that Roster.

They both would have done a lot better than Kobe.

[moe94]

Really? Bean leading the Lakers post Shaq to a record of 34-48 while putting up 27.6 PPG on 43% shooting was MVP worthy? Really? Meanwhile the season before a Suns team featuring Amar'e, Marion, Johnson, and Marbury coached by D'Antoni went 29-53 and then a team featuring Amar'e, Marion, Johnson, and Nash coached by D'Antoni went 62-20.

Really?

Other than Nash, Shaq had a case- Heat went from 42 to 59 wins after the trade and he put up 23 PPG (60% FG)/ 10 RPG/ 3 APG/ 2 BPG.

And then that summer the league changed the rules to give perimeter scorers unprecedented offensive freedom and severely handicapped defenses. Kobe put up career scoring numbers with his usual mediocre FG% (45%), as did many others (the 5'11 Iverson put up 33 PPG, 3rd year LeBron put up 31 PPG, Gilbert 'Yosemite Sam' Arenas put up 29). He led the Lakers to 45 wins and the 7th seed.

That same season Dirk put up 27/9/3 (48% FG) while leading the Mavericks to 60 wins, as mentioned above Bron put up 31/7/7 (48% FG) while leading the Cavs to 50 wins, The Suns slowed a bit but Nash put up 19/4/11 (51%) leading the team to 54 wins.

How did Bean have a better case than those 3 while all he did was somewhat outperform Iverson?

Just be happy he stole CP3's MVP in '08 as part of his lifetime achievement award.

One thing, though, there is nothing mediocre about scoring 35 PPG on 45%, 56 TS% as a SG.

[fpliii]

Steve Nash was a worthless pos who could not play any defense at all.

Kobe deserved both MVPs he should have 3 now.... and he should be GOAT

In what universe would Kobe deserve the 2004-05 MVP (Nash's first)?

[DonDadda59]

One thing, though, there is nothing mediocre about scoring 35 PPG on 45%, 56 TS% as a SG.

Didn't say the scoring was mediocre.

Same season Iverson put up 33 PPG/ 3 RPG/ 7 APG on 45% FG (same as Kobe) and 54% TS as a 5'11" 165 lb SG.

[DonDadda59]

Boiled Down.

Suns were stacked

Again...

2003-04 Phoenix Suns
Coach: Mike D'Antoni
'Stacked' Players: Amar'e, Marion, Joe Johnson, Marbury/Hardaway

[COLOR="Red"]Record: 29-53 [/COLOR]

2004-05 Phoenix Suns
Coach: Mike D'Antoni
'Stacked' Players: Amar'e, Marion, Joe Johnson, Nash

[COLOR="Red"]Record: 62-20[/COLOR]

Lakers were not.


Not even Lebron or precious Duncan could've won with that Roster.

Let's investigate that claim shall we...

2003-04 Miami Heat Starting Roster

C- Brian Grant
PF- Lamar Odom
SF- Caron Butler
SG- Eddie Jones
PG- Dwayne Wade (Rookie)

[COLOR="Red"]Record: 42-40, won first round vs Hornets (4-3), lost second round to Pacers (4-2)[/COLOR]

2004-05 Los Angeles Lakers Starting Roster

C- Chris Mihm
PF- Lamar Odom
SF- Caron Butler
SG- Kobe Bryant ('MVP season', year)
PG- Chucky Atkins

[COLOR="Red"]Record- 34-48[/COLOR]

So while LeBron and 'precious Duncan' (what? ) might not be able to win with similar lineups... looks like rookie Dwyane Wade playing PG could get them to the second round.

True story.

[moe94]

Precious Duncan because people treat him like he's some deity.

Also, be prepared for the "weak conference" argument which is sure to follow.

[T_L_P]

Precious Duncan because people treat him like he's some deity.

[DonDadda59]

Precious Duncan because people treat him like he's some deity.

How so? Name me a Duncan team that didn't win at least 50 games (not counting lock out seasons) since he joined the NBA in 1997. Then take a look at the '03 squad he led to the ring and tell me he couldn't at least make the playoffs with Lamar Odom and Caron Butler on his squad like rookie Wade did

Also, be prepared for the "weak conference" argument which is sure to follow.

F*ck em

These clowns are bringing spoons to a gun fight. Anyone who claims Kobe was MVP in 2005 sitting on a 34-48 record is either on the molly or didn't start watching basketball until post January of '06.

[Andrei89]

Really? Bean leading the Lakers post Shaq to a record of 34-48 while putting up 27.6 PPG on 43% shooting was MVP worthy? Really? Meanwhile the season before a Suns team featuring Amar'e, Marion, Johnson, and Marbury coached by D'Antoni went 29-53 and then a team featuring Amar'e, Marion, Johnson, and Nash coached by D'Antoni went 62-20.

Really?

Other than Nash, Shaq had a case- Heat went from 42 to 59 wins after the trade and he put up 23 PPG (60% FG)/ 10 RPG/ 3 APG/ 2 BPG.

And then that summer the league changed the rules to give perimeter scorers unprecedented offensive freedom and severely handicapped defenses. Kobe put up career scoring numbers with his usual mediocre FG% (45%), as did many others (the 5'11 Iverson put up 33 PPG, 3rd year LeBron put up 31 PPG, Gilbert 'Yosemite Sam' Arenas put up 29). He led the Lakers to 45 wins and the 7th seed.

That same season Dirk put up 27/9/3 (48% FG) while leading the Mavericks to 60 wins, as mentioned above Bron put up 31/7/7 (48% FG) while leading the Cavs to 50 wins, The Suns slowed a bit but Nash put up 19/4/11 (51%) leading the team to 54 wins.

How did Bean have a better case than those 3 while all he did was somewhat outperform Iverson?

Just be happy he stole CP3's MVP in '08 as part of his lifetime achievement award.

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[Solefade]

Boiled Down.

Suns were stacked

Lakers were not.


Not even Lebron or precious Duncan could've won with that Roster.

lol bron's roster was even worse albeit in a weaker conference but had almost double the wins

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Kobe deserved 06 for sure. Dirk deserved it in 07. Carrying that scrub team to 67 wins is MVP for sure

Nash is one of the most overrated players ever how do u not make the finals once w/ that stacked @zz roster if u MVP

[miller-time]

Really? Bean leading the Lakers post Shaq to a record of 34-48 while putting up 27.6 PPG on 43% shooting was MVP worthy? Really? Meanwhile the season before a Suns team featuring Amar'e, Marion, Johnson, and Marbury coached by D'Antoni went 29-53 and then a team featuring Amar'e, Marion, Johnson, and Nash coached by D'Antoni went 62-20.

Really?

That is it. MVP is the most valuable player. Not the best player. Not the most complete player. Not the scoring champion. Not the most popular player. I don't see why people are so hard on Nash's first MVP? I'm not sure if he should have won two but that first one is completely fine.

[miller-time]

Nash is one of the most overrated players ever how do u not make the finals once w/ that stacked @zz roster if u MVP

The season before Nash the Suns didn't even make the playoffs. Are you saying that taking a team with a losing record to first in the regular season and making the conference finals is bad? If that team was so stacked why couldn't they win more than 29 games the season before?

[selrahc]

The season before Nash the Suns didn't even make the playoffs. Are you saying that taking a team with a losing record to first in the regular season and making the conference finals is bad? If that team was so stacked why couldn't they win more than 29 games the season before?

Marbury plus injuries