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Old 08-14-2019, 04:42 AM   #16
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I'm taking the scene when Supe comes back to life where all moral ethics are off the table. No holds barred. That speed blitz comes into effect.
In that case it's dilemmatic. Yes he can blitz, but if Thanos does not die straight away, he can teleport. Thanos is extremely durable.
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Old 08-14-2019, 06:41 AM   #17
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I'm taking the scene when Supe comes back to life where all moral ethics are off the table. No holds barred. That speed blitz comes into effect.


And in that situation who exactly did he kill? He didnt even kill batman who is a normal human. He didnt use his speed for anything but looking at Flash then missing a punch and like...bumping him slightly away doing him no harm.

Superman is not that serious a threat. Hes a hypothetical threat. He virtually never does the things he could.

Thanos will actually destroy the universe the very instant hes capable of doing it.

Thanos wins because while Superman(even the one you reference) is throwing bullshit backhands that dont even kill normal humans he just turns him into dust and moves on.
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Old 08-14-2019, 07:57 AM   #18
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Superman is not strong enough to overcome being made of dust if Thanos snapped his fingers.
Superman easily pulls the gauntlet off of Thanos’ hand before he can snap his fingers.
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Old 08-14-2019, 03:15 PM   #19
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Superman easily pulls the gauntlet off of Thanos’ hand before he can snap his fingers.
That's only if he knows beforehand to do that. I'm not sure a bloodlusted supes would care to try that.
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Old 08-14-2019, 03:24 PM   #20
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I'm taking the scene when Supe comes back to life where all moral ethics are off the table. No holds barred. That speed blitz comes into effect.
Yeah he didn't go straight for a speed blitz. He stared them down and dared them to make the 1st move. In this case, so many moves Thanos can use to put an end to Superman. And even if Superman were to attack 1st he would go for a forceful punch, wait for his opponent to get back up, and then be finished. That's just who he is.


Still has a better shot against Thanos than the Avengers tho. That one is complete domination by the Avengers, who would easily take out the entire Justice League
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Old 08-14-2019, 04:51 PM   #21
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Yeah he didn't go straight for a speed blitz. He stared them down and dared them to make the 1st move. In this case, so many moves Thanos can use to put an end to Superman. And even if Superman were to attack 1st he would go for a forceful punch, wait for his opponent to get back up, and then be finished. That's just who he is.


Still has a better shot against Thanos than the Avengers tho. That one is complete domination by the Avengers, who would easily take out the entire Justice League

Superman alone takes out almost the entire Avengers team

Thor+Sentry would be a challenge, Doctor Strange/Scarlet Witch could cause issues with their magic. Everyone else getting smashed to smithereens with a bloodthirsty Superman alone. We have not even added Flash, Martian Manhunter, Wonder woman, Green Lantern, Shazam, Captain Atom or Doctor Fate or Batman to the party.

I don't think Superman can beat Thanos with the stones. Without the stones, Superman would hold his own vs Thanos though for however long he wants.
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Old 08-14-2019, 05:17 PM   #22
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Superman alone takes out almost the entire Avengers team

Thor+Sentry would be a challenge, Doctor Strange/Scarlet Witch could cause issues with their magic. Everyone else getting smashed to smithereens with a bloodthirsty Superman alone. We have not even added Flash, Martian Manhunter, Wonder woman, Green Lantern, Shazam, Captain Atom or Doctor Fate or Batman to the party.

I don't think Superman can beat Thanos with the stones. Without the stones, Superman would hold his own vs Thanos though for however long he wants.
Thanos is basically Darkseid. Supes is gonna have a hard time. Thor also beats Superman solo since he is weak to magic (Just like how Shazam beats Superman)

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Old 08-15-2019, 02:06 AM   #23
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Superman alone takes out almost the entire Avengers team

Thor+Sentry would be a challenge, Doctor Strange/Scarlet Witch could cause issues with their magic. Everyone else getting smashed to smithereens with a bloodthirsty Superman alone. We have not even added Flash, Martian Manhunter, Wonder woman, Green Lantern, Shazam, Captain Atom or Doctor Fate or Batman to the party.

I don't think Superman can beat Thanos with the stones. Without the stones, Superman would hold his own vs Thanos though for however long he wants.
Ummmm no

- Captain Marvel has been shown to speed blitz at speeds faster than Superman.
- Thor's durability is higher than any damage Superman has shown to output. Remember he survived the full power of a Star in Infinity War
- If Superman is pre-occupied or hesitant waiting to see what his enemy can do (like in Justice league) Dr. Strange can work all kind of magic and time stone do all sorts of damage
- And then you got other high damage/durability players like Hulk, Vision, Scarlett Witch, etc.
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Old 08-15-2019, 04:09 AM   #24
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Ummmm no

- Captain Marvel has been shown to speed blitz at speeds faster than Superman.
Captain Marvel is a drunk who can’t even win a fight against Rogue from X-Men.

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- Thor's durability is higher than any damage Superman has shown to output. Remember he survived the full power of a Star in Infinity War
1. It was a dwarf star.
2. Superman has proven himself to be stronger than a black hole, which is certainly more powerful than a dwarf star. Ergo, Superman is more powerful than something that is more powerful than the star Thor withstood.

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- If Superman is pre-occupied or hesitant waiting to see what his enemy can do (like in Justice league) Dr. Strange can work all kind of magic and time stone do all sorts of damage
Avengers can’t even win a fight with Thanos, who is basically just a weaker Darkseid, who Superman has beaten.

Superman is a genuinely lame character because he’s stupidly overpowered and only has one weakness that needs to be worked into almost every storyline. Lots of Avengers characters are better, cooler characters than Superman. But outside of them having kryptonite, Superman would wreck them.
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Old 08-15-2019, 05:18 AM   #25
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Pissed off Homelander>>>>>>>Superman
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Old 08-15-2019, 05:39 AM   #26
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Phoenix


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More powerful than the infinity stones combined
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Old 08-15-2019, 08:10 AM   #27
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Captain Marvel is a drunk who can’t even win a fight against Rogue from X-Men.


1. It was a dwarf star.
2. Superman has proven himself to be stronger than a black hole, which is certainly more powerful than a dwarf star. Ergo, Superman is more powerful than something that is more powerful than the star Thor withstood.


Avengers can’t even win a fight with Thanos, who is basically just a weaker Darkseid, who Superman has beaten.

Superman is a genuinely lame character because he’s stupidly overpowered and only has one weakness that needs to be worked into almost every storyline. Lots of Avengers characters are better, cooler characters than Superman. But outside of them having kryptonite, Superman would wreck them.


Superman is exactly as vulnerable to magic as a normal human. Strange could literally remove his soul and talk to it like the Ancient one did Hulk.

People always talk about what Superman could do if they got to control his behavior and make him fight the way he should if he were serious about winning......ignoring that he never does. But we do that and then ignore that other people hold back too.

The majority of the cosmic things Dr.Strange fights could wipe out superman with a thought. Hes a physical being.

He wouldnt be a threat to most things with cosmic powers.The Silver Surfer could turn him into candy corn and nothing superman does could hurt him.

Everyone fighting without holding back the way we give superman credit for doing in every hypothetical he wouldnt be near the greatest threat.

Reed Richardsons son creates universes and stores them in a box.

Superman isnt really that OP. Hes too based in the physical world. He hits hard and hes fast. That isnt enough to defeat a great deal of marvel.

Superman on his best day isnt a threat to a herald of galactus who themselves get beaten all the time. Superman has weaker enemies than in Marvel. He punches things hard. That will not cut it vs something like the Phoenix. And Thanos defeated the physical embodiment of time and space with the gauntlet....Silver Surfer moving at light speed wasnt able to get the glove off him.

That was their entire original plan. Send every hero on earth at him at once as a distraction...surfer hangs back....comes in at warp speed to snatch it off. Thanos still detected his approach and narrowly evaded him.

Thanos was more watered down in the MCU than superman is in the DCU.
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Old 08-15-2019, 03:27 PM   #28
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Captain Marvel is a drunk who can’t even win a fight against Rogue from X-Men.
Umm no? Captain Marvel held her ground against Thanos and if Thanos didn't use his infinity stones would've won that fight. She has shown great energy output and strong durability as well along with her light-like traveling speed.


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1. It was a dwarf star.
2. Superman has proven himself to be stronger than a black hole, which is certainly more powerful than a dwarf star. Ergo, Superman is more powerful than something that is more powerful than the star Thor withstood.

Didn't Superman get knocked unconscious after taking an atomic bomb?

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Avengers can’t even win a fight with Thanos, who is basically just a weaker Darkseid, who Superman has beaten.

Superman is a genuinely lame character because he’s stupidly overpowered and only has one weakness that needs to be worked into almost every storyline. Lots of Avengers characters are better, cooler characters than Superman. But outside of them having kryptonite, Superman would wreck them.

Superman beat Darkshield in the movies? We are talking about their cinematic versions here. And all the avengers together would've easily taken Thanos, they were separate half half when they failed and barely failed. Together they would've won.


Superman absolutely has no chance against the Avengers. As someone said, as soon as Superman is even a bit occupied with Hulk/Marvel/Thor, Strange can finish him off, he can literally even undo damage that Superman does. And I don't even think Superman wins even with Strange not present. Captain Marvel's feats have been almost on-par with Superman (I'll give Superman the edge) but with Thor/Hulk/Vision/Witch it's just too much
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Old 08-16-2019, 12:28 AM   #29
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Umm no? Captain Marvel held her ground against Thanos


This is not a hypothetical. Captain Marvel has fought Rogue on multiple occasions and lost every time.
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Old 08-16-2019, 01:59 AM   #30
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seems the thread has summarized the movie Megamind

which would be parallel to the argument, if some dude is getting all the ladies, are there even any ladies left for the norms??
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