To people who wear Che Guevara shirts.

[Breezy]

Why? Do you think he was a hero or some kind of role model? It's inexplicable to me. It would be like wearing an Osama Bin Laden shirt or a Heinrich Himmler poster.

[masonanddixon]

He actually had noble intents by modern standards but the people who wear his tshirt are generally too dumb to understand the principles beyond the image.

[JohnFreeman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65BOp2dnaLw

[JtotheIzzo]

Why? Do you think he was a hero or some kind of role model? It's inexplicable to me. It would be like wearing an Osama Bin Laden shirt or a Heinrich Himmler poster.

Wow, never heard this before...really looking forward to World Cup 2002 doe, thanks for the heads up.

[Breezy]

Wow, never heard this before...really looking forward to World Cup 2002 doe, thanks for the heads up.

That's just the point. The horrible sadistic things he did and evil views he held are pretty much public knowledge at this point but I still see people wearing the shirts. Is it ignorance? Defiance? Stupidity?

[Im so nba'd out]

That's just the point. The horrible sadistic things he did and evil views he held are pretty much public knowledge at this point but I still see people wearing the shirts. Is it ignorance? Defiance? Stupidity?

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[Nick Young]

He actually had noble intents by modern standards but the people who wear his tshirt are generally too dumb to understand the principles beyond the image.

Hitler and Goebels had 'noble intents' too.

[masonanddixon]

Hitler and Goebels had 'noble intents' too.

Except Guevara was a revolutionary fighting against imperialism and capitalism and Hitler was a sociopathic murderer of innocent Jews.

[I<3NBA]

hipsters

[lakers_forever]

That's just the point. The horrible sadistic things he did and evil views he held are pretty much public knowledge at this point but I still see people wearing the shirts. Is it ignorance? Defiance? Stupidity?

Wich evil views? Don't you think you are being anachronic and judging Guevara with today's values?

He fought agains an oppressing dictatorship* who ruled his adopted country of Cuba (he was originally from Argentina). That regime had the support of the United States (the capitalist leader of the world). He and Castro led the revolution against that regime. And later on, the US (with president Kennedy) tried to invade Cuba to put that regime back in power. Did you want Cuba to support capitalism and America after that? In those days, you basically had two choices, capitalist or communist. Cuba could not in any way be a capitalist country, it would mean giving in to the enemy. It was a different world back then.

That's why I say it's silly to judge Guevara with today's values. If we follow your reasoning, why do stupid people use shirts, honor, put faces of dollar bills, of people who were so "evil" that they owned slaves? Those "evil" men like Jefferson, Washington and Benjamin Franklin... Or someone in the future can say: "How can people honor that guy Obama, who once was against gay people getting married. What a bigot!"


* ironically, Fidel made Cuba a dictatorship again, this time under him and not Batista (the right winger who ruled the country before the revolution).

[knickballer]

The last time I've seen some one wear a Che Guevara shirt was probably 2005..

Ten years late brah

[Nick Young]

Except Guevara was a revolutionary fighting against imperialism and capitalism and Hitler was a sociopathic murderer of innocent Jews.

LOL Guevera the revolutionary murdered 50,000 of his own people by firing squad. What a noble hero and non-sociopathic revolutionary

[casual_fan]

Wich evil views? Don't you think you are being anachronic and judging Guevara with today's values?

He fought agains an oppressing dictatorship* who ruled his adopted country of Cuba (he was originally from Argentina). That regime had the support of the United States (the capitalist leader of the world). He and Castro led the revolution against that regime. And later on, the US (with president Kennedy) tried to invade Cuba to put that regime back in power. Did you want Cuba to support capitalism and America after that? In those days, you basically had two choices, capitalist or communist. Cuba could not in any way be a capitalist country, it would mean giving in to the enemy. It was a different world back then.

That's why I say it's silly to judge Guevara with today's values. If we follow your reasoning, why do stupid people use shirts, honor, put faces of dollar bills, of people who were so "evil" that they owned slaves? Those "evil" men like Jefferson, Washington and Benjamin Franklin... Or someone in the future can say: "How can people honor that guy Obama, who once was against gay people getting married. What a bigot!"


* ironically, Fidel made Cuba a dictatorship again, this time under him and not Batista (the right winger who ruled the country before the revolution).

Its not just that he was a communist who murdered and tortured people who disagreed with him just like his idol stalin. Its not like his methods and world views were generally shared in his time, he always was an extremist and not just the usual communist.

[Freakzilla]

Abraham Lincoln killed 400 000 of his own people during the Civil War. True Story.

He was a piece of shit too.

[Dresta]

Actually Lincoln didn't have anything like the bloodlust of Guevara, and was pretty quick to pardon people (shot for cowardice etc.) if any extenuating circumstances could be found. It was Stanton that wanted to shoot everybody.

Wich evil views? Don't you think you are being anachronic and judging Guevara with today's values?

He fought agains an oppressing dictatorship* who ruled his adopted country of Cuba (he was originally from Argentina). That regime had the support of the United States (the capitalist leader of the world). He and Castro led the revolution against that regime. And later on, the US (with president Kennedy) tried to invade Cuba to put that regime back in power. Did you want Cuba to support capitalism and America after that? In those days, you basically had two choices, capitalist or communist. Cuba could not in any way be a capitalist country, it would mean giving in to the enemy. It was a different world back then.

That's why I say it's silly to judge Guevara with today's values. If we follow your reasoning, why do stupid people use shirts, honor, put faces of dollar bills, of people who were so "evil" that they owned slaves? Those "evil" men like Jefferson, Washington and Benjamin Franklin... Or someone in the future can say: "How can people honor that guy Obama, who once was against gay people getting married. What a bigot!"

Erm.. how are those comparable? Jefferson attempted to put a paragraph in the Declaration of Independence (at the behest of Paine) denouncing slavery, but he was overruled, and the paragraph was excised. Here it is:

he [the king of Britain] has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating it’s most sacred rights of life & liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating & carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere, or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither. this piratical warfare, the opprobrium of infidel powers, is the warfare of the CHRISTIAN king of Great Britain. determined to keep open a market where MEN should be bought & sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or to restrain this execrable commerce: and that this assemblage of horrors might want no fact of distinguished die, he is now exciting those very people to rise in arms among us, and to purchase that liberty of which he has deprived them, by murdering the people upon whom he also obtruded them; thus paying off former crimes committed against the liberties of one people, with crimes which he urges them to commit against the lives of another.

Franklin become an outspoken opponent of slavery (and freed his slaves) after observing black children being schooled and determining there was no difference in intellectual capacity between white and black. These men both broke with conventional wisdom, and were clearly before their time. Jefferson, while he didn't free his slaves (for practical reasons really), did try to condemn slavery in the US's founding document, and any support he did give slavery (like granting new states garnered through Louisiana purchase right to hold slaves) were based on political expedience alone, as he was quite the Machiavellian. But in a way it worked: his vision of the world is largely what came to pass, and he gets a lot of the credit for creating a world governed mostly by democratic peoples, free from despots and absolute monarchs. So the ends kind of justify the means with Jefferson, because chances are the world would be far more unpleasant without him. Whereas what did Che do to change the world aside from getting a bunch of people killed and turning one ruthless dictatorship into another in the process?

Washington i agree with: a terribly overrated figure, incompetent general, and honestly a bit of a royalist (he just didn't want to pay taxes, but aside from that quite revered the British system, as did his political crony Hamilton).