there really is no way kobe can pass MJ. and theres no way Lebron can pass Kobe

[kennethgriffin]

6 for 6 cant be beat. even if kobe wins 6 .....then hes 6 for 8

kobe cant pass MJ

5 for 7 cant be beat. even if lebron wins 5..... then hes 5 for 9 ( reality 4.5 for 9 )

Lebron cant pass Kobe




and thats assuming lebron wins 3 out of his next 3. which he wouldnt... based on lebrons current finals win% ... in order to get 5 rings lebron would need around 17 trips to the nba finals



i know theres guys who will get on here and say "well what about duncan! hes 5 for 6!"

well one of his titles is bogus anyway so hes really around 4.5


and tim is done winning titles as a #1 or #2 guy... sh*t he may not even be the 5th best


other guys might say "havlicek is 8 for 8"

well thats great and all. but hes not in contention for the top 10 all time.


yes ladies and gentlemen... its about # of rings by mvp winners...with finals win% as tie breakers ( 60s rings and lockouts getting half prestige )


#1 Jordan - 6 for 6
#2 Kareem - 6 for 10
#3 Russell - 11 for 12 ( 5.5* )
#4 Kobe - 5 for 7
#5 Magic - 5 for 9
#6 Duncan - 5 for 6 ( 4.5* )
#7 Shaq - 4 for 6
#8 Bird - 3 for 5
#9 Hakeem - 2 for 3
#10 Wilt - 2 for 6 ( 1.5* )
#11 Lebron - 2 for 6 ( 1.5* )




neither kobe or lebron can EVER catch jordan

and lebron would need a miracle to catch kobe

[Marchesk]

In all seriousness, would we consider Jordan's career to be flawed if he had gotten to Bulls to two finals before they started winning, and finished 6/8?

[red1]

You are correct. Lebron can never pass MJ and kobe can never pass lebron. Kobe has maxed out at top 10 and lebron will max out as the 2nd GOAT. It's pretty much set in stone now.

[dubeta]

and theres no way OP can get off his ass and become a productive member of society




Keep getting them $500 weekly checks doe

[Straight_Ballin]

and theres no way OP can get off his ass and become a productive member of society




Keep getting them $500 weekly checks doe

If he didn't have to constantly take care of my light work on here by correcting misinformed youths like yourself who know nothing of what defines a great basketball player, maybe he would have the time to be a productive member of society.

[LikeABosh]

Hate to break it to you little guy, but despite what a bunch of autistic Kobetards like yourself say, Lebron has already passed Kobe in the eyes of many and it's only a matter of time until Lebron over Kobe is damn near unanimous. Get over it.

[3ball]

In all seriousness, would we consider Jordan's career to be flawed if he had gotten to Bulls to two finals before they started winning, and finished 6/8?

Well, it's a strong possibility that MJ is 7/7 if Pippen doesn't have his epic choke in Game 7 of 1990 ECF (2 points on 1-10, the famous "migraines") - the Bulls likely beat Blazers in Finals, based on the fact that the Pistons beat Blazers in 6, but needed 7 and Pippen choke to beat Bulls.

Also, the concept of a perfect record is the following: if all the information we have is that MJ was 6/6, then the best bet is that he'd be 7/7, and 8/8, etc... I mean, people say Mitch Richmond could've won championship in 1994... So that means MJ is 4/4 if he doesn't retire in 1994 (and would be 5/5 had Pippen not choked in 1990).

[Wade's Rings]

6 for 6 cant be beat. even if kobe wins 6 .....then hes 6 for 8

kobe cant pass MJ

5 for 7 cant be beat. even if lebron wins 5..... then hes 5 for 9 ( reality 4.5 for 9 )

Lebron cant pass Kobe




and thats assuming lebron wins 3 out of his next 3. which he wouldnt... based on lebrons current finals win% ... in order to get 5 rings lebron would need around 17 trips to the nba finals



i know theres guys who will get on here and say "well what about duncan! hes 5 for 6!"

well one of his titles is bogus anyway so hes really around 4.5


and tim is done winning titles as a #1 or #2 guy... sh*t he may not even be the 5th best


other guys might say "havlicek is 8 for 8"

well thats great and all. but hes not in contention for the top 10 all time.


yes ladies and gentlemen... its about # of rings with finals win% as tie breakers ( 60s rings and lockouts getting half prestige )


#1 Jordan - 6 for 6
#2 Kareem - 6 for 10
#3 Russell - 11 for 12 ( 5.5* )
#4 Kobe - 5 for 7
#5 Magic - 5 for 9
#6 Duncan - 5 for 6 ( 4.5* )
#7 Shaq - 4 for 6
#8 Bird - 3 for 5
#9 Hakeem - 2 for 3
#10 Wilt - 2 for 6 ( 1.5* )
#11 Lebron - 2 for 6 ( 1.5* )




neither kobe or lebron can EVER catch jordan

and lebron would need a miracle to catch kobe

5/6 > 5/7

[Straight_Ballin]

You are correct. Lebron can never pass MJ and kobe can never pass lebron. Kobe has maxed out at top 10 and lebron will max out as the 2nd GOAT. It's pretty much set in stone now.

This isn't 2013. Bron losing a FMVP to a roll player not once but TWICE automatically makes him less than Kobe.

As a big Bron fan, he really showed his true beta colors by losing FMVPs like that. There's no coming back from it.

[kennethgriffin]

In all seriousness, would we consider Jordan's career to be flawed if he had gotten to Bulls to two finals before they started winning, and finished 6/8?

well under my criteria jordan would still technically have the most rings with the best win%


kareem has 2 more losses


however. under full ring criteria without asterisks... bill russell would technically be the goat


the media wouldnt be able to push the 6 for 6 with 6 thing anymore

it would turn into

11 for 12 with 5 mvps

vs

6 for 8 with 5 mvps


( cant really compare finals mvps... and russell would more than likely have gotten 5 or 6 at the very least )



it would be a no brainer. bill would be GOAT in the publics eye


but 6 for 6 trumps all because its unbreakable

[kennethgriffin]

5/6 > 5/7

thats if you count 1999 as a real season ... sure


i'd give the nod to duncan if that were the case


but ... its a controversial subject.

50 games is way worse than lebrons 66 game season.


i can give duncan at most 0.6 since its 0.6 worth of an nba season

0.5 is just easier to keep track of since all lockouts will be slightly different

[Straight_Ballin]

5/6 > 5/7

No one here thinks Kobe is > Duncan.

Jordan>Duncan>Kobe>Bron

Many actually believe that Bron would have a hard time outplaying Pippen in any scenario. They also believe that Bron will never win a ring without Wade.

[dubeta]

If Tony Parker wins a MVP and a FMVP next year, where would he rank?


5 for 6 with 2 FMVPs and 1 MVP


technically... wont he be...








better than Kobe???!

[kennethgriffin]

If Tony Parker wins a MVP and FMVP next year, where would he rank?


5 for 6 with 2 FMVPs and 1 MVP


technically... wont he be...








better than Kobe???!

youre asking a question thats completely unlikely. so i can't even put it in perspective.

thats like saying. where would paul pierce be if he won league MVP and FMVP next year


pierce would probably go from around top 40 all the way up to top top 12 all time


but its ridiculous to ponder things like that


its extremely difficult to win multiple rings/ multiple fmvps and a league mvp


which is why only 11 guys have done it

[SouBeachTalents]

No one here thinks Kobe is > Duncan.

Jordan>Duncan>Kobe>Bron

Many actually believe that Bron would have a hard time outplaying Pippen in any scenario. They also believe that Bron will never win a ring without Wade.

You mean how like Jordan never won a ring without Pippen? Or even got out of the first round?