MJ missed today's spaced-out, ballhandler-friendly, high screen-roll bonanza

[3ball]

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MJ played before today's high-screen roll craze where defenders are drawn to the perimeter by 3-point shooting, thus creating an open paint - this allows ballhandlers to get ALL the way to the rim:






But back when MJ played, the paint wasn't wide open after the screen roll because there were no 3-point shooters drawing defenders to the perimeter - so MJ couldn't get all the way to the hole like today's player and had to pull-up for a lot of mid-range jumpers:





Considering MJ averaged 30/9/11/51% at point guard in 1989 with barely ANY high screen rolls and NO spacing, I imagine his eyes would light up when he saw today's wide open paint.

Honestly, in today's game, he'd be the primary ballhandler a ton, but he'd also post up, play off-ball and isolate via triple-thread a ton.. He'd be elite in more areas offensively than any other player, while still being the league's foremost primary (all-game) defender of the 1-3 positions.

[ISHGoat]

shut the **** up 3ball

[Hey Yo]

Considering MJ averaged 30/9/11/51% at point guard in 1989 with barely ANY high screen rolls and NO spacing

Maybe he should have played more PG against the Pistons in the ECF.

Could have kept him from shooting a total of 8FGA in game 5 with the series tied at 2 and probably won the game. He was to hesitant to shoot for some reason. Let his team down big time.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...905310DET.html

[3ball]

Exactly, the NBA banned paint-camping.. So instead of paint-camping and contesting guards at the rim, the ban forces big men to come OUT of their wheelhouse (the paint) to contest guards in THEIR wheelhouse, the perimeter.. Even Austin Rivers can be a superstar by beating bigs on the perimeter and finishing on unprotected rims.

Of course, previous eras shaded heavily in screen-roll situations too (seen below) - MJ destroyed these situations, but he had to pull-up for more jumpers, because after the screen-roll, the paint would still be crowded because there was no spacing to draw everyone to the perimeter:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...=358589&page=8..

[Hey Yo]

Could have kept him from shooting a total of 8FGA in game 5 with the series tied at 2 and probably won the game. He was to hesitant to shoot for some reason. Let his team down big time.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...905310DET.html

[ShawkFactory]

OP is a f@g?

[3ball]

OP is a f@g?

MJ missed out on today's high screen-roll craze, where the court is SET UP for ballhandlers to succeed and have maximum control of the game.

Today's spaced-out, open court and high screen rolls would allow MJ more opportunity to dominate and control the game than he had in his era - back then, they didn't have the 3-point shooting needed to draw defenders out and create an open paint like today's game.

[HighFlyer23]

3ball do you have a life outside that retired bald headed n1kka who used to bounce an orange ball around?

[hateraid]

They did you numb nut. Have you ever heard of Stockton to Malone? In fact it was much more effective back then. MJ never ran it because:
A) He wasn't a 3 point threat
B) He played in a triangle practically his whole career

[3ball]

They did you numb nut. Have you ever heard of Stockton to Malone? In fact it was much more effective back then. MJ never ran it because:
A) He wasn't a 3 point threat
B) He played in a triangle practically his whole career

The screen roll is more effective as a high screen roll with 3-point shooting than a screen-roll that begins closer to the hoop with little or no 3-point shooting to space the floor.

This is all fact, which is why Stockton and Malone were the only guys skilled enough with perfect enough chemistry to run the non-spaced, low screen rolls that were available back then as their primary offense.
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[kennethgriffin]

a) theres barely any iso today

b) theres barely any post up today

c) theres barely any mid range today


coaches go for team oriented PG dominated offenses that promote ball movement

jordan didnt like handling the ball or playing a catch and shoot game

he iso'd mid range and posted. which doesnt happen anymore on a championship team



i cant see jordan playing the warriors/spurs style

[3ball]

a) theres barely any iso today

Over 25% of Harden and Lebron's possessions are isolations - this is statistical fact, as shown by the NBA's player-tracking stats on NBA.com... (in the playoffs, 33% of Lebron's possessions were isolations).

Another 25% is screen-roll... So over half of their offense is isolations or screen-rolls.. This is statistical fact, so stop lying in this forum.

coaches go for [COLOR="Red"]team oriented[/COLOR] [COLOR="Blue"]PG dominated[/COLOR] offenses that promote ball movement

Oxymoron

jordan didnt like handling the ball or playing a catch and shoot game

^^^^^ All lies - as a ball-dominant PG, he averaged 30/9/11 on 51%.

And MJ had an elite catch-and-shoot game - he has MANY games where he scores 40 or 50 on mostly jumpers, including a ton of catch-and-shoot jumpers... He has scored more points via catch-and-shoot than JJ Redick.

i cant see jordan playing the warriors/spurs style

Spurs and Warriors run equal-opportunity offenses - MJ won 6 rings and led the league in scoring within a much stricter equal-opportunity offense than the Warriors or Spurs, which required even LESS time of possession (quick decisions required).

MJ is the goat at scoring quickly and quick decision-making.
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[hateraid]

The screen roll is more effective as a high screen roll with 3-point shooting than a screen-roll that begins closer to the hoop with little or no 3-point shooting to space the floor.

This is all fact, which is why Stockton and Malone were the only guys skilled enough with perfect enough chemistry to run the non-spaced, low screen rolls that were available back then as their primary offense.
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Since you are so enamoured with video evidence watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XLvqH9qoik

7 minutes of footage with ALL high screen rolls WITH a career 38% 3-point shooter. Look for yourself. All plays started from the 3 point line.

I usually ignore your circus act, but this comment forced me to engage. Don't be stupid and try to argue.
Not to mention you could not come up with an answer to the fact that I brought up he played in a triangle which further helped his offense. He lacked the 3-point shot to run this effectively.

Now go to sleep. Put this thread to bed

[ShawkFactory]

MJ missed out on today's high screen-roll craze, where the court is SET UP for ballhandlers to succeed and have maximum control of the game.

Today's spaced-out, open court and high screen rolls would allow MJ more opportunity to dominate and control the game than he had in his era - back then, they didn't have the 3-point shooting needed to draw defenders out and create an open paint like today's game.

You could have just said yes.

Though I guess control + V is a little easier.

[3ball]

not sure what you're referring to