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Old 12-01-2007, 11:17 PM   #1
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Default Bill Russel better than Wilt

Reason is simple, Wilt with west, and AB, should have been a very impressive team, but still he couldn't defeat Bill. Is it because his team mate isn't as good? The answer is Russel is always better than Wilt.

Why? Simple, Wilt may have impressive numbers, but numbers don't tell the whole story, sure he can score 40, he can score 50 easily, but can 40 points or 50 points win a game? Of course not, and because of him trying to get those numbers, he wasted, many chances that his teammates could have had to score.

Russel on the other hand have involved his teammates, and played as a team, and thus he was able to win. That I believe is the most important skill of all.


The bottom line, basketball is a team sport and not a one on one contest, if it was, Wilt probably would have beaten Russel.


(notice in the later years, when Wilt finally realized what team play is all about he won a ring)
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Old 12-01-2007, 11:22 PM   #2
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Default Re: Bill Russel better than Wilt

Russell was a better team player, defender, and winner.....individually Wilt was capable of doing more things
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Old 12-01-2007, 11:25 PM   #3
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Reason is simple, Wilt with west, and AB, should have been a very impressive team, but still he couldn't defeat Bill. Is it because his team mate isn't as good?
Wilt had West and Baylor. And Bill Russell had who?
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Old 12-01-2007, 11:27 PM   #4
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Russell was a better team player, defender, and winner.....individually Wilt was capable of doing more things

Exactly
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Old 12-01-2007, 11:32 PM   #5
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Default Re: Bill Russel better than Wilt

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Exactly


I said that too, if it was one on one, wilt would win, but basketball is team sport, that's why there's 5 guys on the court
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Default Re: Bill Russel better than Wilt

Wilt cared about himself and himself only. The only reason Wilt decided to shelf his ego and stats was so he could win a 'chip. In Wilt's mind, if he didn't win a 'chip, his stats wouldn't have meant anything. His quest for a 'chip was still all about his ego.

IMO, of course.
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Old 12-02-2007, 09:33 AM   #7
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What a joke.

Bill Russell has the worst offensive game out of any player to crack anybody's top 35 list of all-time. He won because his teammates were better, period.

Although Wilt was quoted saying that he couldn't have done what Russell did with those same teammates, we all know that he was just trying to give Russell all the credit, and that he'd easily win just as much with the same team.

Russell is known for his defense, yet there are many, many 60's experts who still consider Wilt to be the best defensive player of his era. Even if you want to argue that Russell was better defensively, he couldn't carry Wilt's jockstrap offensively. Wilt was a way, way better overall player.

In today's game, Bill Russell = Dikembe Mutombo

In today's game, Wilt Chamberlain = Shaq meets Amare

Russell is one of the three most overrated players of all-time. He doesn't even warrant a top 15 spot on an all-time rankings list.

Centers in NBA history who are greater than Russell:

1. Shaq
2. Wilt
3. Hakeem
4. Kareem
5. Robinson
6. M. Malone
7. Ewing

Centers in NBA history who are greater than Wilt:

1. Shaq

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Old 12-02-2007, 10:01 AM   #8
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Very ironic, coming from a guy who didn't want Kobe playing for his team.

As soon as I hit "post", I knew that you would come back with this argument. Leave it for the hundreds of threads dedicated to this exact argument and move on with your life.
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Old 12-02-2007, 10:14 AM   #9
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Default Re: Bill Russel better than Wilt

BULLS shut your mouth you don't know what the **** your talking about!
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Old 12-02-2007, 10:15 AM   #10
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Russell was a better team player, defender, and winner.....individually Wilt was capable of doing more things
Perfectly said... /end thread
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BULLS shut your mouth you don't know what the **** your talking about!
wow, nice comeback, very well-thought, nicely worded... now please go the f**k away, troll
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Default Re: Bill Russel better than Wilt

I think Wilt was better individually, especially on offense (which is all that counts in your eyes). Russell played with a team first mentallity that made the players around him better, thus resulting in the greatest team success the NBA has ever seen. For that, I would take Russell.
The reason I said you were an idiot is for stating that Russell isn't top 15 and is behind Ewing in the centres rankings, on par with Mutombo. And don't give me that weak era BS.
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Wilt is a much better player than Russell ever was. It's not even a debatable topic.

Russell can be compared to guys like Mutombo, B. Wallace, Camby, Ratliff, etc. Other than passing, his game was no better than any of theirs.


Russell is around the 16-20 range of all-time. If he played today, I doubt he'd even crack top 100.
Wow, nm, you ARE an idiot.
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You would take a carbon copy of Dikembe Mutombo over Wilt Chamberlain?

Thanks for the laugh. That was one of your dumber posts... arguably dumber than your "I don't want Kobe on the Bulls" posts.

Oh, and Ewing was a better player than Russell. So are many of today's C's who have yet to get out of the first round.

Yeah, but I would be trying to win, not pamper a superstar who can score 100 but continually gets rolled by said Mutombo carbon copy (and wouldn't Mutombo be the copy?). I want the guy that gets you enough rings to put on every finger, both thumbs and a toe.
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Reason is simple, Wilt with west, and AB, should have been a very impressive team, but still he couldn't defeat Bill. Is it because his team mate isn't as good? The answer is Russel is always better than Wilt.

Very simplistic logic...There are some little things called chemistry, years being together, injuries (like the one Wilt had during the 7th game of the 1969 Finals), coaching decisions, bench depth, etc, which can very well make the difference. Russell never ever outplayed Wilt throughout a whole series. He did increase his own productivity at times and did reduce Wilt's, but that still wasn't enough to say he outplayed him. And no, the results wouldn't be different "if Russell wanted to make it a 1-on-1 show".

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Why? Simple, Wilt may have impressive numbers, but numbers don't tell the whole story, sure he can score 40, he can score 50 easily, but can 40 points or 50 points win a game? Of course not, and because of him trying to get those numbers, he wasted, many chances that his teammates could have had to score.

What's very ironic with your post is that Wilt, teamed with West and Baylor sacrificed his scoring in order to win. And then, plenty of idiots claimed that "Wilt wasn't able to score anymore".

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Russel on the other hand have involved his teammates, and played as a team, and thus he was able to win. That I believe is the most important skill of all.

The bottom line, basketball is a team sport and not a one on one contest, if it was, Wilt probably would have beaten Russel.

(notice in the later years, when Wilt finally realized what team play is all about he won a ring)

He won 2 rings. And he had already realized it by the time his scoring stats started dropping, while his assists went up (1964). When he won rings, he just had (at last) sufficient luck to play for good teams with good coaching and without injury problems.
I don't know how many championships Wilt would have won if he played for the Celtics, but I know for sure that Russell wouldn't win anywhere close to as many (and considerably less than Wilt) if they both switched teams.
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