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Old 06-06-2010, 11:04 AM   #1
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Default Pac-16, The Big 14, the artist formerly known as the "Big XII"...

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5251329

From the beginning...

1) Big '10' wants to expand, ND not interested, decide to look at Nebraska/Missouri/Rutgers. Wants Texas but they're not really interested either.

2) Pac-10 hears about the Big '10' intentions to expands, and decides to go "all-in" by inviting practically the entire Big XII South division as a way to reel Texas in.

3) Texas is interested, but not without their religious little brother Baylor.

4) Big XII sniffs it out and decides to give Nebraska/Missouri an ultimatum to either stay or go.

I can't lie. This is bizarrely entertaining to me in an 'epic trainwreck' sort of way. This is like the upcoming 2010 offseason with Texas playing the role of LeBron.

Texas should go to the Pac-10 so that the dominoes can start falling. At the rate things are going it wouldn't suprise me at all to see Kansas in the SEC, Syracuse in the Big '10' and ND in the ACC by 2015.
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Old 06-06-2010, 10:05 PM   #2
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I find it oddly compelling myself. I like how they all preface everything with how these conferences all have such strong convictions toward academics. But I'm still not sure what conference allignment has to do with academics.

My biggest fear in all this is, and it's all but dead now, but still, is that Notre Dame goes to the big 10. And not because I like ND. In fact I have pretty severe distaste for ND. But ... if they go to the Big Ten, it aint gonna happen just with football. And if they pull the rest of their sports from the Big East, and then someone like Rutgers too, who's also mentioned occasionally, the big east could literally wind up folding. And the Big East, and the Big East tournament specifically, are a long running, and among the favorite parts of my entire existence every year. It would wind up being handfull of Big East schools that don't play football, so no more Uconn, no more Syracuse, you'd be left with mostly the Atlantic Ten, maybe a few of the better MAAC programs (Iona, Manhattan, Fairfield (Go Stags ... they wouldn't be one)). And the only thing left to remind you of the Big East would be if you remember when schools like St. Johns and Seton Hall meant something on the national level. And probably Georgetown.

But ech ... what a horrible thought.
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Old 06-06-2010, 10:58 PM   #3
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The SEC could destroy everything by expanding. Texas was interested in joining in the past, but The SEC did not want Texas A&M. That may change now if the SEC gets hungry. There are also murmurs about Alabama finally being willing to let FSU in, and bringing Miami with them as well.
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Old 06-06-2010, 11:16 PM   #4
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Don't want the Pac-10 to expand... we have a pretty good system now. All along the west coast, easy to travel, etc.

It would be interesting to see Texas join, but that gives Oregon even more competition to win the Pac-10... as they're starting to be at the top now.
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Old 06-06-2010, 11:29 PM   #5
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I don't think Texas would join SEC. SEC has shitty academics compared to Texas.

Replace Texas Tech with Baylor (Texas Tech has shitty academics. Wouldnt fit with Pac-10) and it will work.

Big 12 is about to dissolve. I don't mind moving to Pac-10 as long as we get to play Texas every year.
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Old 06-06-2010, 11:43 PM   #6
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I find it oddly compelling myself. I like how they all preface everything with how these conferences all have such strong convictions toward academics. But I'm still not sure what conference allignment has to do with academics.

My biggest fear in all this is, and it's all but dead now, but still, is that Notre Dame goes to the big 10. And not because I like ND. In fact I have pretty severe distaste for ND. But ... if they go to the Big Ten, it aint gonna happen just with football.

1) Academics has nothing to do with this expansion stuff. It's all about money. Texas not joining the SEC isn't about academics, it's about them expanding their 'brand' to the more affluent west coast. Same deal with the Big 10 looking at schools like Rutgers and Missouri. Everything in the collegiate athletic programs that count (men's football/basketball) is revenue-related these days.

2) ND is much more likely to join the ACC than the Big 10 for recruiting reasons. They already recruit in places like Illinois and Ohio, they go to the ACC and they'll be able to get a few guys from Florida, Virginia and the Carolinas. If the ACC had balls they would aggressively pursue them if Texas bolts to the Pac-10. ND might listen as the ACC is a much better conference than the Big East for non-football/basketball sports.
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Why is the Big 12 about to fall apart?
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Old 06-07-2010, 02:14 PM   #8
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Why is the Big 12 about to fall apart?

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They dont have enough money themselves to keep those teams there?
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Old 06-07-2010, 03:32 PM   #10
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They dont have enough money themselves to keep those teams there?
The Big Ten's Network is making them a crazy amount of money. They leap-frogged The SEC. The Big Ten wants to expand their network into Texas and New York, and bringing in Rutgers and Texas accomplishes that. They also want to bring in Missouri for their television markets. The Big XII can not compete with that. Even if they launch their own network, they do not have the earnings potential of the Big Ten.
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Old 06-07-2010, 05:29 PM   #11
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I don't think Texas would join SEC. SEC has shitty academics compared to Texas.

Replace Texas Tech with Baylor (Texas Tech has shitty academics. Wouldnt fit with Pac-10) and it will work.

Big 12 is about to dissolve. I don't mind moving to Pac-10 as long as we get to play Texas every year.

Texas state legislature/Board of Regents will kill the deal unless A&M and Tech go wherever Texas goes. Baylor, not so much.

I'm all for it. Expand Pac-10. Big-10 too; I'm sure they can find enough inferior athletes to expand their ranks. ACC & Big East will eventually merge. SEC will stand alone, maybe looking at FSU and/or Miami.

Four mega-conferences gets us closer to a playoff system.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5251329

From the beginning...

1) Big '10' wants to expand, ND not interested, decide to look at Nebraska/Missouri/Rutgers. Wants Texas but they're not really interested either.

2) Pac-10 hears about the Big '10' intentions to expands, and decides to go "all-in" by inviting practically the entire Big XII South division as a way to reel Texas in.

3) Texas is interested, but not without their religious little brother Baylor.

4) Big XII sniffs it out and decides to give Nebraska/Missouri an ultimatum to either stay or go.

I can't lie. This is bizarrely entertaining to me in an 'epic trainwreck' sort of way. This is like the upcoming 2010 offseason with Texas playing the role of LeBron.

Texas should go to the Pac-10 so that the dominoes can start falling. At the rate things are going it wouldn't suprise me at all to see Kansas in the SEC, Syracuse in the Big '10' and ND in the ACC by 2015.

I'm not so sure about that part...I go to a Pac-10 school and my Fraternity had over the President for good PR (long story) and while he was here he was telling us about the Pac-10's ploy to get Texas about 3 months ago. He said that Texas Tech wants to follow Texas where ever they go but there's little chance TT would make it in because of the academic aspect, he said if it ends up working out we (Pac-10) would add Texas and Baylor, most likely not one without the other, but the TT situation is what's standing in the way.
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Old 06-09-2010, 09:10 PM   #13
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Chicago Tribune site saying that Nebraska is joining the Big Ten.

Let the defections begin!
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Old 06-09-2010, 09:56 PM   #14
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All signs are pointing to a Nebraska move to the Big Ten.

A source close to the Nebraska program told ESPN's Chris Mortensen that athletic director Tom Osborne informed some staff members within the past 24 hours that the Cornhuskers were going to make the move to the Big Ten conference. But a source tells ESPN.com's Andy Katz that no one in the athletic department has been briefed yet.

A source with knowledge of the Big Ten's plans confirmed to ESPN.com that Nebraska will join the Big Ten by the end of the week or early next week. The source said that the formal process of accepting a candidate either has started or would be under way shortly, as Nebraska must formally apply for admission to the Big Ten.

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"It's going to happen, unless something crazy happens in the final hours," the source said. "I think by this weekend, it's going to be wrapped up."

Big Ten bylaws state that any applicant to the league must receive at least eight votes from the Big Ten Council of Presidents/Chancellors to gain admission.

Besides Nebraska, no other candidates are imminent for the Big Ten, which could stay put with 12 members, the source said.

A source close to the Nebraska Board of Regents told Orangebloods.com the regents met informally Wednesday and have agreed to move to the Big Ten and that a formal announcement Nebraska is leaving will come Friday -- the deadline set by the Big 12 for Nebraska and Missouri to state whether they intend to leave the conference.

A Big 12 football coach, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, told ESPN.com's Mark Schlabach on Wednesday night that if Nebraska left the Big 12 the conference would dissolve, according to his athletics director and university president. The coach said Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Colorado would join the Pac-10, leaving Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri and Iowa State behind.

"Nebraska is the key," the coach said.

The coach said the Pac-10 favored Colorado over Baylor because of the Buffaloes' presence in the Denver TV market.

Nebraska's executive committee of the board of regents agreed Wednesday to amend the agenda for Friday's meeting to include discussion of realignment.

"We did agree to amend the agenda to add an item regarding conference alignment," said Bob Phares, the committee chairman. "The potential for a resolution of that is we will have a briefing for the board on Friday and that was the substance of the meeting. There was no official action taken."

An executive call does not involve all board members, just the executive committee, which consists of Phares and fellow regents Bob Whitehouse, Howard Hawks and Kent Schroeder.

Phares said the discussion Friday could lead to a vote -- if the board wishes to take action -- after Friday's briefing at the 1 p.m. meeting.

"The board could decide that they choose to do nothing and simply sit on the corner and watch the parade, they could decide that they want to reaffirm their commitment to the Big 12. They could decide they want to pursue affiliation elsewhere."

To amend the meeting's agenda, the executive committee had to make a recommendation to the board by Thursday at 1 p.m., 24 hours before the meeting, which led to Wednesday afternoon's conference call.

"We restructured the agenda so we can move this up the the top," Phares said. "It'll be first out of the chute ... It will be very soon after 1 o'clock."

Phares said he was unsure of the board's attitude toward a move to the Big Ten.

"We're trying to make sure we make a factual decision here, not an emotional one," he said.

Schroeder, a Kearney, Neb., lawyer who has been on the Nebraska Board of Regents since 1998, also said he expects a presentation from university president Harvey Perlman and Osborne at Friday's scheduled board meeting.

"I'm expecting them to tell me the pluses and minuses of remaining in the Big 12 or going to the Big Ten," Schroeder said.

But Schroeder, who served as the board's chairman in 2009, says he has no preference for either conference, because in order to do so, he "has to have data presented in a way that would allow him to establish a preference."

Schroeder told the Journal Star there have been no previous meetings between regents about the topic of conference realignment.

A Nebraska source told ESPN.com's Andy Katz late Tuesday that a decision on whether to commit long-term to the Big 12 or leave for a potential Big Ten invitation could come Friday and a Big 12 executive told the Omaha World-Herald that Nebraska could decide to join the Big Ten as early as Friday. However, the source told Katz the consensus within the athletic department is that Nebraska wouldn't separate itself from the Big 12 without some assurance that a Big Ten invitation would come.

Katz's source said the direction of the school is leaning toward the Big Ten, but there was no indication of when the Big Ten invitation would occur. The Big Ten has set no date for any announcement in the coming weeks, leaving open the possibility that Nebraska could be left in limbo.

Osborne said in a radio interview Tuesday night that a decision should come soon.

"Hopefully we'll get things put together in the next few days," Osborne told the statewide Husker Sports Network on Tuesday night without indicating Nebraska's preference. "I don't know exactly what the time frame is [that] we'll be able to put this thing to bed. But I'm getting tired of it, you're probably getting tired of it, and the fans are getting tired of it."

Missouri appears to be falling down the list of priorities for the Big Ten.

An athletic director with knowledge of the Big Ten told Orangebloods.com, "Missouri is getting cold shoulder from Big Ten."

The Big Ten announced late last year it is considering adding at least one school, and possibly more, to add a league championship game in football and broaden the reach of its cable television network. Its decision has created a ripple throughout the power conferences, causing the Pac-10 to mull its own expansion and threatening the survival of the Big 12.

A Big 12 source told ESPNDallas.com's Jeff Caplan that officials from Texas, Texas A&M and Texas Tech, in a move sensing Nebraska's determination to join the Big Ten, have already met to pledge their solidarity. The first choice is to save the Big 12, but if that's not possible, officials from those schools are prepared to merge with the Pac-10.

The source said the meetings included the chancellors, presidents and athletic directors from the three schools. Not present was a Baylor contingent. Baylor is locked in a battle with Colorado for what is presumed to be the sixth spot along with Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State that would create a 16-team super-conference with the Pac-10 schools.

Texas and Texas A&M are also expected to meet Thursday to discuss their next move. Another Big 12 source said that Nebraska's actions have greatly accelerated talks among officials at Big 12 schools.

The source said that Texas president William Powers and athletic director DeLoss Dodds met with the coaches on Wednesday to update them on the swirling realignment talks. The source said Dodds did not tell them the Big 12 is dead.

Texas and the other Big 12 South schools, the source said, continue to work to keep the Big 12 intact.


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Old 06-11-2010, 11:33 PM   #15
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WTF is going to happen to Kansas?! 3 titles (seems like more right?), Phog Allen, Wilt, friggin James Naismith. I know the football team is nothing special at all, but they aren't embarrassingly bad or anything. You'd think a conference would jump at the chance to add a hoops program like Kansas. Just goes to show how much of a cash cow football programs are for major universities I guess. I'd very much welcome KU to the Big Ten, if only to see Bill Self stroll into Assembly Hall.
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