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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
538's rankings show MJ won 2 rings with worse casts than Lebron's winning teams
[COLOR="Red"]The list shows that MJ won twice with a worse supporting cast (1991 and 1993) than Lebron's 2012 and 2013 teams.. The list proves MJ was capable of winning with less.[/COLOR]
But don't feel bad Lebron fans - the list is complete garbage... Magic and Bird had the most talented supporting casts of all time... How could they be behind Shaq's 2000, Hakeem's 1995, MJ's 2nd three-peat, Gary Payton's and Chauncey's cast?
Looking at the list, it appears to show which teams' role players showed the best teamwork and essentially outperformed what role players typically do... With Magic and Bird's teams, they had very few normal role players - they had juggernauts at every position, so the superior production they got from their great players weren't overperforming what great players normally do.
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Last edited by 3ball; 10-03-2015 at 01:04 PM.
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Re: 538's rankings show MJ won 2 rings with worse casts than Lebron's winning teams
It's relative to the opponent in the finals you moron
Lebron beat the 2nd best supporting cast of all time, with a supporting cast worse than the supporting cast Jordan beat in 1993
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Re: 538's rankings show MJ won 2 rings with worse casts than Lebron's winning teams
Not to mention that the 1991 Lakers had multiple injuries in the finals, hence bringing down their actual rating
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: 538's rankings show MJ won 2 rings with worse casts than Lebron's winning teams
Originally Posted by GIF REACTION
It's relative to the opponent in the finals you moron
Lebron beat the 2nd best supporting cast of all time, with a supporting cast worse than the supporting cast Jordan beat in 1993
Learn to read - the list says that MJ's 1991 and 1993 casts were worse than both of Lebron's winning teams in 2012 and 2013 - look at the list - that's what it says.. So based on this list, MJ won with less than Lebron ever did - period.
Also, re-read the TITLE of the list - the list is based on the supporting cast's actual statistical performance through the conference finals of each season in question.
It's a good thing it doesn't include their Finals performance, because MJ got the worst Finals performances from Pippen and Rodman during his 2nd three-peat... They were horrible - Pippen averaged 15 ppg on 34% shooting in 1996 Finals and the same in 1998 Finals - this is the worst ever for a 2nd option, bar none.. Meanwhile Rodman averaged 3/8 in the playoffs and Finals... ugh
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Re: 538's rankings show MJ won 2 rings with worse casts than Lebron's winning teams
Incorrect
Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade in 2013 are the worst supporting duo in history
Bosh scored 0 points in Game 7
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Embiid > Jokic
Re: 538's rankings show MJ won 2 rings with worse casts than Lebron's winning teams
Originally Posted by 3ball
Learn to read - the list says that MJ's 1991 and 1993 casts were worse than both of Lebron's winning teams in 2012 and 2013 - look at the list - that's what it says.. So based on this list, MJ won with less than Lebron ever did - period.
Also, re-read the TITLE of the list - the list is based on the supporting cast's actual statistical performance through the conference finals of each season in question.
It's a good thing it doesn't include their Finals performance, because MJ got the worst Finals performances from Pippen and Rodman during his 2nd three-peat... They were horrible - Pippen averaged 15 ppg on 34% shooting in 1996 Finals and the same in 1998 Finals - this is the worst ever for a 2nd option, bar none.. Meanwhile Rodman averaged 3/8 in the playoffs and Finals... ugh
So bad they were both getting shout outs for Finals MVP
http://www.nytimes.com/1996/06/08/sp...able-bull.html
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1...rowning-moment
http://www.petemyersrules.com/2011/08/rodmans-mvp.html
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1...ls-karl-malone
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/6...VP.html?pg=all
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Expert Analyst
Re: 538's rankings show MJ won 2 rings with worse casts than Lebron's winning teams
no Sh**
Lebron had peak Wade/Bosh and GOAT 3pointer Ray
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Great college starter
Re: 538's rankings show MJ won 2 rings with worse casts than Lebron's winning teams
I don't like "talent rating" numbers . 2011 Lebron more talented than 95 Hakeem,03 Duncan , 93 Jordan ?
But "teammate ratings" looks good.
Lebrons's b2b champs > Jordan's second 3peat
Jordan's first 3peat >>>> Lebron's b2b champs
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Re: 538's rankings show MJ won 2 rings with worse casts than Lebron's winning teams
They also show that Mike had some of the best supporting casts of all time. Something you argue against constantly.
So...thread backfire.
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Re: 538's rankings show MJ won 2 rings with worse casts than Lebron's winning teams
I showed this image to 3ball last night
And he spent the whole night trying to come up with an argument to spin this to MJ's advantage
3ball officially SHOOK
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: 538's rankings show MJ won 2 rings with worse casts than Lebron's winning teams
Originally Posted by ShawkFactory
They also show that Mike had some of the best supporting casts of all time. Something you argue against constantly.
So...thread backfire.
Not at all - the list shows that MJ won with less in 1991 and 1993 than Lebron ever did, which is what I've been saying all along - MJ was capable of winning with less, and this list proves it.
And I've already shown that MJ's 1989 playoff run was more of a 1-man show than Lebron's 2009 and 2010 teams.
So I've been right all along - MJ was capable of winning with less - it's clear-cut and obvious
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Yea...wild deflection.
Just pointing out the flaw in you using this figure as your argument. Because it shows something you argue against all the time.
Whatevs doe
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Re: 538's rankings show MJ won 2 rings with worse casts than Lebron's winning teams
Shouldve expected that 1996 Bulls to be at the top of this list
Jordan had the WOAT playoff series in NBA History (rookie 18 year old LeBron would have done better - this is a fact, he did better against Payton) and the Bulls still won in 6, best cast in NBA History
Take Jordan out of that 1996 Bulls team, and they win in 5 instead of 6
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Embiid > Jokic
Re: 538's rankings show MJ won 2 rings with worse casts than Lebron's winning teams
Originally Posted by dubeta
Shouldve expected that 1996 Bulls to be at the top of this list
Jordan had the WOAT playoff series in NBA History (rookie 18 year old LeBron would have done better - this is a fact, he did better against Payton) and the Bulls still won in 6, best cast in NBA History
Take Jordan out of that 1996 Bulls team, and they win in 5 instead of 6
That's still easily better than some of LeBron's Finals ('07 & '11)
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: 538's rankings show MJ won 2 rings with worse casts than Lebron's winning teams
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