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Old 10-20-2017, 04:39 PM   #31
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You'd have to be an absolute potato (which you are judging by every single post I've read of yours today) to have Iverson over Wade. Iverson isn't even top 5 for that matter: Jordan, kobe, Wade, West, Drexler.

I'll take Iverson over both Drexler and West...thanks.


But I agree, top 3 SG all time are Jordan, Kobe, and Wade. In that order.
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Old 10-20-2017, 04:40 PM   #32
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Even Wade only had 18 compared to AI's 30. Deal with it, facts are facts, AI's debut was better. No matter how much you dislike AI and write your usual boring, pitiful insults.
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Old 10-20-2017, 04:41 PM   #33
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I'll take Iverson over both Drexler and West...thanks.


But I agree, top 3 SG all time are Jordan, Kobe, and Wade. In that order.

I believe AI was better than Wade and only underrated in the present because he didn't play with Shaq and Lebron. But fair enough.
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Old 10-20-2017, 05:11 PM   #34
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Peja is the one you have issue with?

Peja has been closer to MVP than either George or Klay who were mentioned.

Peja's 04 season is better than any Klay or George has put up.

Lol at one out of place season in a random year in which J O'Neal was MVP candidate.

George >>
Klay >
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Old 10-20-2017, 06:00 PM   #35
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Carmelo was never close to a superstar. His impact doesn't even sniff borderline superstar status.
No. He quite easily was a superstar before completely falling off. If you don't think Melo wasn't a superstar, neither was CP3.

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So basically, none of those players' debut games came close to AI's debut game. Good to know! Top 3 SG confirmed.
Yep. All of them has worse first games than AI and significantly better careers than AI.

I definitely agree that he's a top 3 SG from '97-'04.

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I'll take Iverson over both Drexler and West...thanks.


But I agree, top 3 SG all time are Jordan, Kobe, and Wade. In that order.


Over Jerry freaking West?
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Old 10-20-2017, 06:08 PM   #36
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How many players in history scored 30 in their debut, less than 5? The fact you use this as a criticism of him shows how truly good you think he is
Basketball Reference‏Verified account @bball_ref 3 hours ago
Top 2 picks who started and scored 3 or fewer points in their career debut, since 2000:
Greg Oden
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Lonzo Ball
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Old 10-20-2017, 06:10 PM   #37
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Carmelo was never close to a superstar. His impact doesn't even sniff borderline superstar status.
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Old 10-20-2017, 06:15 PM   #38
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Basketball Reference‏Verified account @bball_ref 3 hours ago
Top 2 picks who started and scored 3 or fewer points in their career debut, since 2000:
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Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Lonzo Ball
Damn. Who defended them in their debut out of curiosity?
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Old 10-20-2017, 06:15 PM   #39
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No. He quite easily was a superstar before completely falling off. If you don't think Melo wasn't a superstar, neither was CP3.

That's laughable.

CP3 Career BPM: 7.6
Season High BPM: 11.2
Career VORP: 71.7
Season High VORP: 10.0

Carmelo Career BPM: 1.3
Season high BPM: 3.6
Career VORP: 29.4
Season high VORP: 4.2

Carmelo's RPM in that 2014 season when he posted his season high BPM and VORP: 2.75 which put him 51st in the league. Paul in 2014? 7.98 for 2nd in the league after Lebron.

Carmelo is a scrub compared to Paul. Don't ever put that chumps name with CP3's again.

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Old 10-20-2017, 06:19 PM   #40
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That's laughable.

CP3 Career BPM: 7.6
Season High BPM: 11.2
Career VORP: 71.7
Season High VORP: 10.0

Carmelo Career BPM: 1.3
Season high BPM: 3.6
Career VORP: 29.4
Season high VORP: 4.2

Carmelo is a scrub compared to Paul. He has never come even close to sniffing CP3's impact.
I never said Carmelo was better than CP3. However, if you want to go that route, when was the last time CP3 made the Conference Finals?
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Old 10-20-2017, 06:31 PM   #41
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I never said Carmelo was better than CP3. However, if you want to go that route, when was the last time CP3 made the Conference Finals?

The main take away from that is that Carmelo never had close to a superstar impact. A career 1.3bpm? lol. That's pathetic. That's not even career all star impact.
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Old 10-20-2017, 06:44 PM   #42
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I query people's "superstar" criteria..
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Old 10-20-2017, 07:44 PM   #43
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The main take away from that is that Carmelo never had close to a superstar impact. A career 1.3bpm? lol. That's pathetic. That's not even career all star impact.
Melo is not a superstar because his BPM is low?

You do know that Melo made like 6 All-NBA teams, right?
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Old 10-20-2017, 07:59 PM   #44
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Melo got his team to the playoffs his rookie year

But no impact doe amirite?
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Old 10-20-2017, 08:01 PM   #45
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Hall of Famers who scored 9 points or less in their rookie debuts.


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