All 12be jokes aside, the lowest Kobe should really be ranked is 11th

[SouBeachTalents]

I get that ESPN/SI both ranked him 12th (SI had Shaq 15th all time, Hakeem 16th fwiw), but based on his career accolades/stats/resume, the only players who should truly be ranked over Kobe are

Russell
Wilt
Kareem
Bird
Magic
Jordan
Hakeem
Shaq
Duncan
LeBron

I get it's semi nitpicking over a 1 spot ranking, but those 10 players & Kobe are in a league of their own. The only players in NBA history with
1 MVP
2+ FMVP (Russell would have multiple, Wilt would've won in '67)
10+ All-NBA Teams

[Smoke117]

meltdown. In terms of impact he's not even top 20...it's absurd for him to be over Dream who completely carried a team on his back to a championship.

[raprap]

Anywhere from 8-12 is acceptable for him imo

[InsanityKills]

12 is the only acceptable spot for Kobe.

[NBAGOAT]

agreed. Don't get how guys who barely have Wilt in the top 10 suddenly have West or Oscar over Kobe.

[feyki]

8-11 .

[RoundMoundOfReb]

10-15

[Keno]

12-15. no lower than 12.

[scuzzy]

The general consensus amongst all the Fam's is that 12th was generous due to the timing of the "list". (Pity retirement votes)

17-19th is the non-biased accurate mark

[RoundMoundOfReb]

The general consensus amongst all the Fam's is that 12th was generous due to the timing of the "list". (Pity retirement votes)

17-19th is the non-biased accurate mark

Actually, you're right.

How do you compare Durant and Kobe?

[scuzzy]

Actually, you're right.

How do you compare Durant and Kobe?

Ill take KD 40 out of 48 minutes any day over Kobe

Id rather build a team around KD

Id give Kobe the edge on defense although he cant go H2H 1-5 like KD

Id give Kobe the 1 on 1 edge over KD

Id give KD the 2 on 2, 3 on 3, 4 on 4, etc over Kobe

I have KD slightly ranked higher than Kobe

[Proctor]

8-11 sounds about right. And Kobe owns Durant's soul. Durant isn't even on the same tier

[ArbitraryWater]

Stop

If people value actual play over freakin resume, then let them put Kobe top 15 low end.

[I<3NBA]

Kobe's just gonna drop lower and lower as time goes on and more people realize how overrated he was.

not making the playoffs at his peak is a damning indictment. even Lillard with a shitty ass team carried his team to the playoffs.

[Akrazotile]

I get that ESPN/SI both ranked him 12th (SI had Shaq 15th all time, Hakeem 16th fwiw), but based on his career accolades/stats/resume, the only players who should truly be ranked over Kobe are

Accolades = Media popularity contests

Stats = Kevin Love can put up record stats in the right circumstance

Resume = Being lucky to play for the sport's greatest franchise


If you're actually drafting for players to have on your franchise for the next 15 years with no other consideration except winning... Realistically nobody is even taking Kobe 12th. He'd be lucky to crack the top 20.

That's the genuine measure of how much a player is valued IMO. How many guys would you draft ahead of him? Everything else is just a product of circumstance. I don't understand why people insist on making judgements that way.

Kobe is fortunate to be considered 12th. Let's just celebrate it for what it is. A generous ranking that the Lebron Family is merciful enough to even acknowledge. Long live 12Be!