Convince me that Kobe is top 5 of all time

[Connor B]

I've seen this argument be made by more than just Kobe stans. Barkley was making it at one point, as well as some respectable Laker fans. I want you to give me a expnation as to why he is top 5. No stanning, no homerism, just give me logical reasons. For me he is top 10, maybe top 8-9 to be exact. My top 5 are solidly Jordan, Kareem, Magic - convince me why Kobe should be above people like Wilt, Bird, Russell, Duncan, even Lebron.

[selrahc]

because he is better than them

[G-Funk]

Only player other than MJ with zero weaknesses

If Jordan & Magic can be ahead of Wilt & Russell, why not Kobe?

he's resume is on par with players such as Kareem and Magic

MJ averaged 30/6/5 49%, Kobe as a starter 28/6/5 46%

Magic & Bird lacked defense, shouldn't top 5 players posses great offense and defense?

[TheBigVeto]

Kobe isn't top 5. You were right all along. Don't let morons convince you otherwise.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Compare his accolades to the top 25 players of all-time, and see where he stands. He has a case for top 5, not that I have in there. He is at least top 5 in nearly every category.

Kobe's ranks compared to the top 25 GOAT

Championships (5) - 5th, tied with Magic
Finals MVPs (2) - 5th, tied with Kareem, Bird, Hakeem
League MVPs (1) - 12th, tied with Shaq, Hakeem, Oscar, Dr J, Barkley, KG, Dirk, Robinson
Top 5 finishes in League MVP (11) - 2nd, tied with Russell
All-Star Teams (15) - 2nd, tied with Shaq
All-NBA First Teams (11) - 1st, tied with Karl Malone
All-NBA Teams (15) - 1st, tied with Kareem
All-Defensive First Teams (9) - 1st, tied with MJ, KG
All-Defensive Teams (12) - 2nd, tied with KG
Scoring Titles (2) - 3rd, tied with Kareem, Shaq
Career Points (31617) - 4th
Career Playoff Points (5640) - 3rd

ISH top 25

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Magic Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Wilt Chamberlain
7. Shaquille O'Neal
8. Kobe Bryant
9. Tim Duncan
10. Hakeem Olajuwon
11. Lebron James
12. Moses Malone
13. Oscar Robertson
14. Jerry West
15. Julius Erving
16. Kevin Garnett
17. Karl Malone
18. Charles Barkley
19. Elgin Baylor
20. Bob Pettit
21. John Havlicek
22. Dirk Nowitzki
23. George Mikan
24. David Robinson
25. Isiah Thomas

[WayOfWade]

Convinced yet?

[Soundwave]

Top five afro (prime) of all time.

[Round Mound]

All Longevity Stats....He is In The Top 20-25 Impact Wise.

Watchable Contest? Then He is In The Top 10 For Sure.

[aj1987]

He's not. For me, he's at #10.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Name me 1 player normally listed in the top 5 that has a great sex appeal than Kobe.

You can't.

[Orlando Magic]

His achievements are a top 10 lock and debatably top 5... But his actual greatness as a player and peak are in the 15 to 25 range. Guaranteed I'll get shit from Lakers fans and non Lakers fans for both statements but they're both true.

[jstern]

He used to be top ten (due to team accomplishments), but then Lebron won his 4th MVP and 2nd Finals MVP, with an impressive game 7.

[TheMilkyBarKid]

Name me 1 player normally listed in the top 5 that has a great sex appeal than Kobe. You can't.

Wilt, dude had his way with whatever woman he wanted and didn't need to get a tattoo to apologize for it

[kennethgriffin]

out of the top 10 players all time. most championships

#1 russell - 11
#2 jordan - 6
#3 kareem - 6
#4 kobe - 5
#4 magic - 5
#6 shaq - 4
#6 duncan - 4
#8 bird - 3
#9 wilt - 2
#10 hakeem - 2


out of the top 10 players all time. most finals mvps

#1 jordan - 6
#2 magic - 3
#2 duncan - 3
#2 shaq - 3
#5 kobe - 2
#5 hakeem - 2
#5 kareem - 2
#5 bird - 2
#9 wilt - 1
#10 russell - 0

out of the top 10 players all time. most 1st team all nba's

#1 kobe - 11
#2 jordan - 10
#2 kareem - 10
#2 duncan - 10
#3 bird - 9
#3 magic - 9
#4 shaq - 8
#5 wilt - 7
#6 hakeem - 6
#7 russell - 3

out of the top 10 players all time. most 1st team all defense's

#1 kobe - 9
#1 jordan - 9
#3 duncan - 8
#4 kareem - 5
#5 hakeem - 5
#6 wilt - 2
#7 russell - 1
#8 bird - 0
#8 magic - 0
#8 shaq - 0

out of the top 10 players all time. most allstar games

#1 kareem - 19
#2 kobe - 15
#2 shaq - 15
#4 duncan - 14
#4 jordan - 14
#6 wilt - 13
#7 bird - 12
#7 magic - 12
#7 russell - 12
#7 hakeem - 12


out of the top 10 players all time. most career points

#1 kareem 38k
#2 jordan 32k
#3 kobe 31.6k
#4 wilt 31.4k
#5 shaq 28k
#6 hakeem 26k
#7 duncan 23k
#8 bird 21k
#9 magic 17k
#10 russell 14k


out of the top 10 players all time. highest career average

#1 jordan 30ppg
#2 wilt 30ppg
#3 kobe 25ppg
#4 kareem 24,6ppg
#5 bird 24.2ppg
#6 shaq 23ppg
#7 hakeem 21ppg
#8 duncan 20ppg
#9 magic 19ppg
#10 russell 15ppg

out of the top 10 players all time. highest scoring single game

#1 wilt 100
#2 kobe 81

out of the top 10 players all time. their highest single season average

#1 wilt 50ppg
#2 jordan 37ppg
#3 kobe 35ppg
#4 ahhh f*ck it... you get the picture


why bother.. all of you people on this forum will just say "ya but peak this peak that... well out of the top 10 players ever. kobes peak from 06-10 rivals that of anyone asside from jordan

deal with it

[TheMilkyBarKid]

out of the top 10 players all time. most championships #1 russell - 11 #2 jordan - 6 #3 kareem - 6 #4 kobe - 5 #4 magic - 5 #6 shaq - 4 #6 duncan - 4 #8 bird - 3 #9 wilt - 2 #10 hakeem - 2 out of the top 10 players all time. most finals mvps #1 jordan - 6 #2 magic - 3 #2 duncan - 3 #2 shaq - 3 #5 kobe - 2 #5 hakeem - 2 #5 kareem - 2 #5 bird - 2 #9 wilt - 1 #10 russell - 0 out of the top 10 players all time. most 1st team all nba's #1 kobe - 11 #2 jordan - 10 #2 kareem - 10 #2 duncan - 10 #3 bird - 9 #3 magic - 9 #4 shaq - 8 #5 wilt - 7 #6 hakeem - 6 #7 russell - 3 out of the top 10 players all time. most 1st team all defense's #1 kobe - 9 #1 jordan - 9 #3 duncan - 8 #4 kareem - 5 #5 hakeem - 5 #6 wilt - 2 #7 russell - 1 #8 bird - 0 #8 magic - 0 #8 shaq - 0 out of the top 10 players all time. most allstar games #1 kareem - 19 #2 kobe - 15 #2 shaq - 15 #4 duncan - 14 #4 jordan - 14 #6 wilt - 13 #7 bird - 12 #7 magic - 12 #7 russell - 12 #7 hakeem - 12 out of the top 10 players all time. most career points #1 kareem 38k #2 jordan 32k #3 kobe 31.6k #4 wilt 31.4k #5 shaq 28k #6 hakeem 26k #7 duncan 23k #8 bird 21k #9 magic 17k #10 russell 14k out of the top 10 players all time. highest career average #1 jordan 30ppg #2 wilt 30ppg #3 kobe 25ppg #4 kareem 24,6ppg #5 bird 24.2ppg #6 shaq 23ppg #7 hakeem 21ppg #8 duncan 20ppg #9 magic 19ppg #10 russell 15ppg out of the top 10 players all time. highest scoring single game #1 wilt 100 #2 kobe 81 out of the top 10 players all time. their highest single season average #1 wilt 50ppg #2 jordan 37ppg #3 kobe 35ppg #4 ahhh f*ck it... you get the picture why bother.. all of you people on this forum will just say "ya but peak this peak that... well out of the top 10 players ever. kobes
peak from 06-10 rivals that of anyone asside from jordan deal with it

Shaq's peak is far better.