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Old 07-17-2009, 12:54 AM   #16
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I really feel that Miami's bench is weak
Miami's bench > Toronto's bench (pending Jack)

BTW, I forgot to call out that Chicago @ #5. No way they are better - Gordon + 2 rookies & Pargo. If they go into the season with that same roster they aren't making the playoffs.
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Old 07-17-2009, 12:55 AM   #17
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Miami's bench > Toronto's bench (pending Jack)

BTW, I forgot to call out that Chicago @ #5. No way they are better - Gordon + 2 rookies & Pargo. If they go into the season with that same roster they aren't making the playoffs.

Heres to hoping that we get Jack, Delfino or Rashooooooo
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Old 07-17-2009, 01:00 AM   #18
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Miami's bench > Toronto's bench (pending Jack)


Calderon>Chamlers
Delfino<Wade
Hedo>Cook? Moon?
Bosh(contract year)>Haslem
Bargnani>JO
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Old 07-17-2009, 01:03 AM   #19
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Detroit hasn't done as well as you think either.

Yea but I'm pretty sure they are going to be better than what they were last year.
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Old 07-17-2009, 01:09 AM   #20
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Yea but I'm pretty sure they are going to be better than what they were last year.

Just like the Clippers did the year before right?
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Old 07-17-2009, 01:10 AM   #21
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Just like the Clippers did the year before right?

What do you expect, it's the Clippers.
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Old 07-17-2009, 01:11 AM   #22
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imo.

1. Cleveland
2. Boston
3. Orlando
4. Washington
5. Miami / Atlanta
6. Miami / Atlanta
7. Detroit / Toronto / Philly / Charlotte / Pacers
8. Detroit / Toronto / Philly / Charlotte / Pacers
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Old 07-17-2009, 01:12 AM   #23
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Cavs will win 70+ games -- so how does anyone not have them #1??

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Old 07-17-2009, 01:15 AM   #24
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Calderon>Chamlers
Delfino<Wade
Hedo>Cook? Moon?
Bosh(contract year)>Haslem
Bargnani>JO

Funny, that has nothing to do with what he wrote.

And that is really the best way to judge how well a team is going to do. Clippers were better than about 20+ teams on paper last year. How'd they do again?
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Calderon>Chamlers
Delfino<Wade
Hedo>Cook? Moon?
Bosh(contract year)>Haslem
Bargnani>JO

You quoted me talking about the bench and reply with that? Anyway...

We'll just wait and see. No point speculating this early... but I can tell you this much, Wade > Bosh + Hedo combined impact wise...

and JO > Bustnani...
Neither are good rebounders, but atleast JO is a better defender, and has versatility to score from either the low post or mid-range jumper, and atleast shoots over 50% while doing so.
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Old 07-17-2009, 01:19 AM   #26
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Calderon>Chamlers
Delfino<Wade
Hedo>Cook? Moon?
Bosh(contract year)>Haslem
Bargnani>JO
Damn you guys got Hedo AND Bosh coming off the bench. Bold move.
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What do you expect, it's the Clippers.

Weaksauce.
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Old 07-17-2009, 02:01 AM   #28
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Funny, that has nothing to do with what he wrote.

And that is really the best way to judge how well a team is going to do. Clippers were better than about 20+ teams on paper last year. How'd they do again?

He posted before that Wade+Heat>Raptors and then he posts that the Heat's bench > Raptor's bench so I compared the starting lineups. Raptor's starters > Heat's starters.

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You quoted me talking about the bench and reply with that? Anyway...

We'll just wait and see. No point speculating this early... but I can tell you this much, Wade > Bosh + Hedo combined impact wise...

and JO > Bustnani...
Neither are good rebounders, but atleast JO is a better defender, and has versatility to score from either the low post or mid-range jumper, and atleast shoots over 50% while doing so

Like I said, I was just comparing the starting lineups because you stated earlier that Heats>Raptors. It's still too early to compare, but as of now we are better on paper than the heats.

@ JO>Bargnani. Did you forget that we gave you guys JO? The man is washed up, and no way is he better than Bargnani. Your talking about how JO has a variety of offensive weapons, Bargnani doesn't? He can take his man off the dribble, shoot the 3, good mid-range game (JO is not better at this), but his post-up game is weak. JO shoots a higher %, but Bargnani can actually stay on the damn court.
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Old 07-17-2009, 02:08 AM   #29
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He posted before that Wade+Heat>Raptors and then he posts that the Heat's bench > Raptor's bench so I compared the starting lineups. Raptor's starters > Heat's starters.



Like I said, I was just comparing the starting lineups because you stated earlier that Heats>Raptors. It's still too early to compare, but as of now we are better on paper than the heats.

@ JO>Bargnani. Did you forget that we gave you guys JO? The man is washed up, and no way is he better than Bargnani. Your talking about how JO has a variety of offensive weapons, Bargnani doesn't? He can take his man off the dribble, shoot the 3, good mid-range game (JO is not better at this), but his post-up game is weak. JO shoots a higher %, but Bargnani can actually stay on the damn court.

Wade is so much better than Delfino it makes up for it. I'll take Beasley over Hedo. Gave similar if not better production in his rookie year and is far cheaper. And Bargs isn't a center, he isn't stopping anyone on defense.

You still didn't answer the question. This is the same Toronto team plus Hedo and Derozan. Do they make you 20 wins better and thus better than the Heat?
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Wade is so much better than Delfino it makes up for it. I'll take Beasley over Hedo. Gave similar if not better production in his rookie year and is far cheaper. And Bargs isn't a center, he isn't stopping anyone on defense.

You still didn't answer the question. This is the same Toronto team plus Hedo and Derozan. Do they make you 20 wins better and thus better than the Heat?

We filled most of our holes this season, I don't see why we can't make the playoffs and possibly be better than the Heats. We get a healthy Calderon back who was playing injured all season due to the fact the our back-up point guards were Roko Ukic and Will Solomon. Now, we most likely will have Jarette Jack as our back-up PG next season. We bring in Hedo who can create for himself and others which we seriously lacked last season in late-game situations. We draft Derozan who can be a nice spark off the bench and hopefully can develop into something special. We most likely will have Delfino back who can play solid defense and will be a nice hustle player. And then we address our rebounding problems by adding Reggie Evans who is a great rebounder.
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