Nikola Pekovic is a stud

[Euroleague]

Apparently I don't understand my own permissions.

Realmenweargreen

Like I said, HE can ban people. The fact that you may be lied to about that, does not change that it is true.

[StroShow4]

Realmenweargreen

Like I said, HE can ban people. The fact that you may be lied to about that, does not change that it is true.

I have the same permissions as he does you dolt.

[Euroleague]

I have the same permissions as he does you dolt.

So are you saying that Jeff is the one that banned me and threatened me, and sent an extremely violent sounding message to me, simply for reporting a couple of posts made by people here that were making really blatant and out of line racist comments................?

You are going to claim here that Jeff is the one that did that? You really want to go there?

[kmartshopper]

[StroShow4]

So are you saying that Jeff is the one that banned me and threatened me, and sent an extremely violent sounding message to me, simply for reporting a couple of posts made by people here that were making really blatant and out of line racist comments................?

You are going to claim here that Jeff is the one that did that? You really want to go there?

I'm telling you RealMenWearGreen didn't ban you. Mods can't ban people. That's what I'm telling you.

I'm also going to tell you to shut the **** up. I'm going to delete any further posts in this thread that aren't about Nikola Pekovic's NBA career.

[Partizan]

Pekovic's coach in Europe was a guy named Zeljko Obradovic. I suggest you do some research.

Vujosevic made Pekovic player that he is today, not obradovic, obradovic just polished him, if you saw pekovic's first training in Partizan you would understand ,he had troubles with walking

[La Frescobaldi]

Vujosevic made Pekovic player that he is today, not obradovic, obradovic just polished him, if you saw pekovic's first training in Partizan you would understand ,he had troubles with walking

now then let's be clear (and many thanks to Stroshow for getting rid of the... clutter).

I originally said....

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"I hear you about coaching. Don't know if it was in Europe, or Adelman, or Sikma. But Pekovic has dominated many weaknesses in these 2 NBA seasons:

* foul trouble - gone
* sometimes clumsy footwork - gone
* defensive rotations - somewhat gone, or drastically improved
* bone spurs - seem to be gone
* tendency to get stripped - gone

And he has shown great ability to do everything correctly."
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Now injuries are what they are. But as far as skills, he came to the NBA with those weaknesses. He no longer has them (or I should say, they are greatly reduced).
His earlier coaches did not send him to the NBA with the game he has now.

Some part of that is learning the game, some of it is adjusting to the NBA, and some is innate ability. Maybe even all of it. But it looks obvious that he's getting coaching, it's obvious that it is working. And I think whoever it is should be recognized.

I had sort of assumed it was Jack Sikma, Adelman's assistant coach. But maybe not. If he's getting it in the off-season in Europe, from one of these guys with the very beautiful but jaw-cracking names, why then who is it?

Vujosevic? Obradovic? Someone else?

[Euroleague]

Vujosevic made Pekovic player that he is today, not obradovic, obradovic just polished him, if you saw pekovic's first training in Partizan you would understand ,he had troubles with walking

Vujosevic is great at teaching big men how to play in low post, but not really how to play pick and roll.

Pekovic's ability to get so many points is more a result of his learning the pick and roll so well under Obradovic.

[Euroleague]

now then let's be clear (and many thanks to Stroshow for getting rid of the... clutter).

I originally said....

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"I hear you about coaching. Don't know if it was in Europe, or Adelman, or Sikma. But Pekovic has dominated many weaknesses in these 2 NBA seasons:

* foul trouble - gone
* sometimes clumsy footwork - gone
* defensive rotations - somewhat gone, or drastically improved
* bone spurs - seem to be gone
* tendency to get stripped - gone

And he has shown great ability to do everything correctly."
************************************************

Now injuries are what they are. But as far as skills, he came to the NBA with those weaknesses. He no longer has them (or I should say, they are greatly reduced).
His earlier coaches did not send him to the NBA with the game he has now.

Some part of that is learning the game, some of it is adjusting to the NBA, and some is innate ability. Maybe even all of it. But it looks obvious that he's getting coaching, it's obvious that it is working. And I think whoever it is should be recognized.

I had sort of assumed it was Jack Sikma, Adelman's assistant coach. But maybe not. If he's getting it in the off-season in Europe, from one of these guys with the very beautiful but jaw-cracking names, why then who is it?

Vujosevic? Obradovic? Someone else?

Like I said, do some actual research. Vujosevic is a specialist coach for big men. Teaching them and developing them. That was his coach in Partizan.

Obradovic is a coach that demands precision and perfection in executing offense and pick and roll. That was his coach with Panathinaikos. Jack Sikma obviously was a great center, and Adelman is definitely a great coach.......

but they have nothing at all they could teach him that he did not know long before he got to the NBA. Greg Popovich is basically a student of Obradovic.

[Partizan]

Well, this is interesting subject I will try to answer the best I can:

- Foul trouble

There are a lot of factors in this, obviously he needed time to adjust to NBA referees criteria, but honestly I think his biggest problem in his first season was the lack of respect from the referees, he was used to star treatment in Euroleague, and probably had troubles to grasp that he needs to earn that respect again, to be precise I'm not denying that he made stupid fouls but he was getting some bs calls which probably upset him

Clumsy footwork -
Well, he isn't natural with his footwork, its all work, in Europe he got used to using only couple of moves which he trained to perfection, I think he needed time to get comfortable with the moves, againts different ( I would say better but I don't want to start a debate ) defenders in the NBA

Defensive rotations
Defensive rotations benefit from player communication, I think he had troubles with comminication with his teammates, another problem was that he was used to playing within a developed defensive system, he needed time for adjustments

As you said it isn't like he could anything about the injuries, and his tendency to get stripped is related to ref calls, and his lack of comfort playing.

Now, before his first season in the NBA, he didn't really do any off season training, instead he opened up a club in montenegro, drank too much etc. that probably didn't help him get started the right way
Then, next summer there was the NBA lockout, he looked completely out of form in the Eurobasket 2011, and then he signed to play with Partizan for the duration of the lockout. He had rigorous training regime, he played competitive games got back into his old form. And then the lockout ended, and he had to return to the NBA. I think the lockout is the reason of his breakout last year, while most of the players didn't do anything during the lockout, or just signed somewhere for easy cash, he chose to come back to Partizan for symbolic 30k

[Euroleague]

[QUOTE=Partizan]Well, this is interesting subject I will try to answer the best I can:

- Foul trouble

There are a lot of factors in this, obviously he needed time to adjust to NBA referees criteria, but honestly I think his biggest problem in his first season was the lack of respect from the referees, he was used to star treatment in Euroleague, and probably had troubles to grasp that he needs to earn that respect again, to be precise I'm not denying that he made stupid fouls but he was getting some bs calls which probably upset him

Clumsy footwork -
Well, he isn't natural with his footwork, its all work, in Europe he got used to using only couple of moves which he trained to perfection, I think he needed time to get comfortable with the moves, againts different ( I would say better but I don't want to start a debate ) defenders in the NBA

Defensive rotations
Defensive rotations benefit from player communication, I think he had troubles with comminication with his teammates, another problem was that he was used to playing within a developed defensive system, he needed time for adjustments

As you said it isn't like he could anything about the injuries, and his tendency to get stripped is related to ref calls, and his lack of comfort playing.

Now, before his first season in the NBA, he didn't really do any off season training, instead he opened up a club in montenegro, drank too much etc. that probably didn't help him get started the right way
Then, next summer there was the NBA lockout, he looked completely out of form in the Eurobasket 2011, and then he signed to play with Partizan for the duration of the lockout. He had rigorous training regime, he played competitive games got back into his old form. And then the lockout ended, and he had to return to the NBA. I think the lockout is the reason of his breakout last year, while most of the players didn't do anything during the lockout, or just signed somewhere for easy cash, he chose to come back to Partizan for symbolic 30k

[Partizan]

How? The only difference I see is that he weighs less, and thus has better lateral movement.

He is a better player,he improved in some aspects he didn't change his game, I'm not saying he would be a Shaq in Europe, he is better now than over 2 years ago nothing wrong with that...

[Fiba basketball]

I had discussion with gabepizza about Pekovic and I said you could argue he is top 5 C in NBA , he didn't agree and said these guys are better

Howard, Noah, Horford, Jefferson, Bosh, Chandler, Love, Gasol, Cousins, Lopez, Monroe, Vucevic, and Varejao to name a few.

Do you think he is better than those guys and where would do rank him ?

[MiseryCityTexas]

I guess Pekovic is the reason why T Wolves's management don't give a fuck about Kevin Love's situation to help improve the team.

[Euroleague]

I had discussion with gabepizza about Pekovic and I said you could argue he is top 5 C in NBA , he didn't agree and said these guys are better

Do you think he is better than those guys and where would do rank him ?

gabepizza is a troll. How many times do I have to tell you that? I am starting to wonder about you man.