Kobe VS Jordan at age 34

[Micku]

That's what I'm saying. Too many stars in their prime and that's including Kobe who's playing like he's 25.

Malone and Payton were done. Shaq had a good year but his team didn't get the best record and they were not going to award a rookie with the award.

Glad you were paying attention that year.

Karl Malone was not done at all. He was just coming off of a MVP. He won MVP the very next year, over Shaq and Duncan. Payton was only 29 years old.

The Lakers were title contenders and the media thought the Lakers to face the Bulls in the finals, but the team was immature.

There were stars back then, but the major stars were the frontline. You also had Grant Hill, Stockton, Mourning and Tim Hardaway. Patrick Ewing was one of them, but he was out for the season due to injuries. You had Chris Webber too.

[Smoke117]

I honestly don't know where people get that Jordan was this great leader from...unless constantly lashing out at your teammates with your mouth and occasionally actually throwing a punch and hitting yourteammates is actually leadership. He's even admitted he wasn't much of a vocal leader. During the 2nd threepeat especially, Pippen was the real leader of the Bulls.

Neither Kobe or Jordan were/are have any leadership skills. Just because you've been the best player on your team doesn't mean you were a great leader.

[OldSchoolBBall]

I honestly don't know where people get that Jordan was this great leader from...unless constantly lashing out at your teammates with your mouth and occasionally actually throwing a punch and hitting yourteammates is actually leadership. He's even admitted he wasn't much of a vocal leader. During the 2nd threepeat especially, Pippen was the real leader of the Bulls.

[Money 23]

Wake me when 34 year old Kobe drops 55 in a PLAYOFF GAME

[KOBE143]

Wake me when 34 year old Kobe drops 55 in a PLAYOFF GAME

Kobe drops 55 against MJ and sent him into retirement crying..

Now that's more impressive..

[LakersForlife]

Kobe is better look at PPG

[Money 23]

Kobe drops 55 against MJ and sent him into retirement crying..

Now that's more impressive..

Yes, Larry Hughes and Jerry Stackhouse got abused that game.

[rhythmic]

So everyone will always pinpoint the statistical advantage Jordan has over Kobe as the reason for his superiority, but yet Jordan is still better then Kobe even though Kobe at 34 has clearly looked better then Jordan at 34? (both on the court and statistically)

Jordan is hella overrated, that was so obvious by him winning MVP over Karl Malone after he came back from baseball. Seriously the guy was NOT as great as everyone tries to believe. I have never seen a superstar's team get underrated as much as Jordan's did. Pippen, Grant, Rodman, Kokuc, Harper, BJ. It's funny how that team without Jordan won 56 games the year he played for the Sox, and had THREE damn all-stars in 94'.

But yeah Jordan carried his team's.

[kmartshopper]

Let's get back on track and talk about David Lee.

[DonDadda59]

So everyone will always pinpoint the statistical advantage Jordan has over Kobe as the reason for his superiority, but yet Jordan is still better then Kobe even though Kobe at 34 has clearly looked better then Jordan at 34? (both on the court and statistically)

Jordan is hella overrated, that was so obvious by him winning MVP over Karl Malone after he came back from baseball. Seriously the guy was NOT as great as everyone tries to believe. I have never seen a superstar's team get underrated as much as Jordan's did. Pippen, Grant, Rodman, Kokuc, Harper, BJ. It's funny how that team without Jordan won 56 games the year he played for the Sox, and had THREE damn all-stars in 94'.

But yeah Jordan carried his team's.

Wait, wait, wait... so Jordan is 'hella overrated' for leading Pippen, Grant, Rodman, etc to 2 seperate 3-peats but Kobe gets credit for leading his team to a 11-14 record with the best center in the league on his squad (the same center who already single-handedly led his team to the finals).

How does that even begin to make sense?

[9erempiree]

Wait, wait, wait... so Jordan is 'hella overrated' for leading Pippen, Grant, Rodman, etc to 2 seperate 3-peats but Kobe gets credit for leading his team to a 11-14 record with the best center in the league on his squad (the same center who already single-handedly led his team to the finals).

How does that even begin to make sense?

You act like this is the same Howard from Orlando and 09.

The man his past his prime, his back is jacked. Nobody gets back into peak play after that kind of surgery on his back.

[DonDadda59]

You act like this is the same Howard from Orlando and 09.

The man his past his prime, his back is jacked. Nobody gets back into peak play after that kind of surgery on his back.

Well that's just f*ckin convenient isn't it? The best center in the game magically exits his prime at age 27 as soon as he starts playing with Kobe.

Yet Jordan is 'hella overrated' for leading his team to a championship (winning MVP, finals MVP, and a scoring title along the way) in a season where Pippen missed the first 35 games (Bulls went 24-11) and they were the oldest team in NBA history to win the 'ship.

Try harder, clowns

[hitmanyr2k]

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[9erempiree]

Well that's just f*ckin convenient isn't it? The best center in the game magically exits his prime at age 27 as soon as he starts playing with Kobe.

Yet Jordan is 'hella overrated' for leading his team to a championship (winning MVP, finals MVP, and a scoring title along the way) in a season where Pippen missed the first 35 games (Bulls went 24-11) and they were the oldest team in NBA history to win the 'ship.

Try harder, clowns

It's not convenience.

The doctor were there to cut his back.

All I need is a couple of sentences to refute your dumb argument.

[DonDadda59]

It's not convenience.

The doctor were there to cut his back.

All I need is a couple of sentences to refute your dumb argument.

And the doctor was there to 'cut' Pippen's foot. He was out for 35 games. The Bulls went 24-11 in that stretch. Jordan carried his team to the promised land with an iconic finals. Dwight Howard is at least playing, and still the best center in the league. Lakers are 11-14.

It's an insult to compare Jordan's legendary season to Kobe's mediocrity. A more apt comparison would be Kobe-Jerry Stackhouse in 2000-2001. And poor Stack had Corliss Williamson riding shotgun with him, not the most dominant center of his generation like Bean. Let's be real here.

With that I'm out. Keep hope alive!