MJ & Kobe vs Defenses that allow less than 100 points per 100 possessions (<100 DRtg)

[KG215]

as kobe plays better and better. makes sense...

Sorry, just a small typo.

Kobe >>>>>>>> Jordan

[Cali Syndicate]

Take out all the series '04 and prior where he had Shaq drawing defenders and that's what you're left with. OP also ignores the fact that Jordan was 34 during that second series vs. Miami, and his entire team shot like garbage (unlike Kobe's '08 Finals, where his team shot significantly better than he did).

OP is mad insecure.

No one has time for context fool!

[Ne 1]

Take out all the series '04 and prior where he had Shaq drawing defenders and that's what you're left with. :

No. Kobe's production was legit, the one benefit he had from playing with Shaq aside from winning was that he wasn't the primary focus of the defense, but this is the most important part, and anyone who watched those Laker teams knows this....

Teams were not playing off of Kobe to double Shaq, the double teams came from the other positions more often than not. Kobe was NOT just getting spoon fed open shots, if anything, he directly created for Shaq more with his penetration. Kobe's points didn't come easily, and he provided more than just scoring.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Take out all the series '04 and prior where he had Shaq drawing defenders and that's what you're left with. OP also ignores the fact that Jordan was 34 during that second series vs. Miami, and his entire team shot like garbage (unlike Kobe's '08 Finals, where his team shot significantly better than he did).

OP is mad insecure.

Even if you do that, it's still a higher FG% than Jordan
And who cares if Jordan was 34? He was in his 12th season and did he even approach 40k total minutes?
Kobe in '99 was 20 years old, I didn't remove that.

Also his team shot better than him in the '97 series vs Miami.



Pippen, Harper, Longley, Dele, Beuchler, and Brown shot a higher FG% than Jordan in that series.
Jordan shot .387%
Rest of team shot .403%, and every player that took a 3 shot a higher 3pt% than Jordan.

[TheMan]

6-24

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Lebron vs Boston 2012

33.6 ppg 11.0 rpg 3.9 apg 52.7% fg

GOAT domination of defensive team with drtg < 100



Lebron = goat

[COLOR="White"]OP logic[/COLOR]

[Deuce Bigalow]

6-24

5-19

[STATUTORY]

10 scoring titles
6 NBA rings
6 FMVPs
1 DPOY
1 ROTY
50%FG for Career
30.12 all time scoring leader

now go suck on it SCUMM

Was MJ voted Prom King too?

what does a bunch of popularity awards have to do with basketball?

[TheMan]

[DuMa]

1 MVP

[Deuce Bigalow]

Lebron vs Boston 2012

33.6 ppg 11.0 rpg 3.9 apg 52.7% fg

GOAT domination of defensive team with drtg < 100



Lebron = goat

[COLOR="White"]OP logic[/COLOR]

This doesn't mean MJ isn't GOAT. That isn't my logic.

BTW here are the rest

22.0 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 6.8 apg, 5.8 tpg, .356 fg%, .200 3p% in '07 Finals vs San Antonio
26.7 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 7.6 apg, 5.3 tpg, .355 fg%, .231 3p% in '08 ECSF vs Boston

[eliteballer]

More rings than KG and LeBron put together>>>an award voted on by sports reporters

[Deuce Bigalow]

1 MVP

What's so funny?
Shaq, Hakeem, Barkley, KG, Oscar also have 1 MVP. That's some pretty good company.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

This doesn't mean MJ isn't GOAT. That isn't my logic.

BTW here are the rest

22.0 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 6.8 apg, 5.8 tpg, .356 fg%, .200 3p% in '07 Finals vs San Antonio
26.7 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 7.6 apg, 5.3 tpg, .355 fg%, .231 3p% in '08 ECSF vs Boston

Why make this thread then? if you're not trying to say kobe > MJ.

Btw out of curiosity is there a list of team drtg for this year?

[TheMan]

More rings than KG and LeBron put together>>>an award voted on by sports reporters

Did LeBron retire? Why am I the last to know?