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Old 04-07-2007, 11:07 PM   #16
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1) He is only playing Balkman because every one else is injured. the same can be said of Mardy Collins.
1) they were raw rookies. they werent drafted very high so i dont really see a problem with not playing them all that much at the start. especially when you have marbury, robinson, francis, lee, frye, jeffries, etc. playing their positions.
Zeke put marbs and francis in the starting line-up in the begginning. He knew that was a bad idea.

Jeffries was injured for the start of the season. What's your point there?
Robinson doesn't have a good bball IQ. What's your point here?
Right....they are raw. raw enough to contribute significantly EVERY time they are on the floor.

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2) He hindered Frye even more than Frye did to himself by starting Jerome James.
2) frye hindered himself. the man cant make a jumper anymore. shots he was hitting last year he cant hit this year. thats it... every1 blames isiah for his regression, how bout blaming him, hes just not playing even as well as last year and he had all the opportunity. he started a bunch of games before the james thing and underperformed as he did the rest of the year.

Once again who is the one allowing him to shoot 20 footers all game? Zeke.

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3) He benched his key aquisition (Jared Jeffries), 5 games after he returned from lengthy injury without allowing the dude to get into shape. Then said it was Jeffries own fault.
3) if ur a$s aint performing, u get benched. he was horrible at this time.
And you think that Francis has been a productive Knick? How about Jerome James? Those two duds play almost every game.

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4) He failed over and over to put his best line-up on the floor. Malik Rose and kelvin cato have no reason to be robbing meaningful youth minutes.
4) malik rose was a significant role player and fan favorite in san antonio, n he comes to a garbage team and hardly plays. kelvin cato played about 5 minutes this season. i dont know if thats considered robbing minutes.
Every minute in a game is valuable. So yes he gave minutes away that could have been used for development.

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5) He has no clue on how to use his time-out wisely. Plenty of times this season he has just stood there watching his team get blown out before using a 20.
5) no stats or anything is gonna confirm or dispute this, but i dont think it was that big a problem if at all cuz the knicks usually came back anyway.

They wouldn't have to always come from behind if he utilized the guys who usually spark the comeback more than he does. Zeke's fault again.

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6) He is actually using the injury excuse as if the knicks were .500 before these rash of injuries.
6) they werent above .500 before the injuries and injuries are always part of the game. but they were .500 for a long span during the season (something like .500 during their last 30-40 games at one point) right before the injuries really hit. and had they kept it up they would hold a playoff spot.
We haven't been .500 since we won our first game of the season. And no way you can say we would have had a playoff spot. that is pure speculation.

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7) He just said recently his priority with Curry is to help him develop a jumper. amazingly that's not Curry's most obvious weakness, thus proving he sucks at player development.
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7) his obvious weakness might be defense, but a huge one also is beating a double team. whats one way to beat a double team? a jumper.

So now you want Curry to force shots? Reading a defense and hitting the open man helps beat a double team, not shooting the ball with two defenders on you.
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and where do u get your basis for saying that he sucks at player development? who exactly are you talking about besides frye? he developed a lot of young players. damon stoudamire, jermaine oneal, al harrington, jamal tinsley, eddy curry, etc (david lee also has developed btw but youll probably say it was in spite of thomas) and his players LOVE him. everytime the knicks play the pacers the pacer players always give him love as well as his other former players.
Zeke's main problem as coach is that he doesn't have an disipline for players. Every player you mentioned are disgruntled underachievers. They love zeke because he allows them to do whatever they want. he doesn't bring the winners mindset he had with the pistons when he played. He merely pampers his players. Thus he gets the F.

BTW, David Lee, Balkman, Collins, Frye, Robinson, Curry all play the way THEY want to play. Zeke has not developed the guys. He has never developed anyone. Some for the good, some for the bad. Zeke basically stands there with his arms folded and just watches

Yeah he gets this F.

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Old 04-08-2007, 09:14 AM   #17
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32 - 44 F to the whole organization!
they can dump all and any players they like... there is no stud on this team... granted Curry improved offensively but thats about it. If thats what you want to hang your hat on as a stud so be it. i have not been impressed with anyone player on this team where i feel they are untradeable or a building block to something great...
it really doesnt matter who they draft because that player wont see the floor most likely and before you can add 2 more guaranteed contracts you have to dump 2 players...

If I werent a die hard NY'r I probably would have quit this team a long time ago...
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Old 04-08-2007, 12:02 PM   #18
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I'd like to point out that prior to the bad string of injuries the Knicks were the only team in the NBA to improve its winning percentage every month.
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Old 04-08-2007, 01:47 PM   #19
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I'd like to point out that prior to the bad string of injuries the Knicks were the only team in the NBA to improve its winning percentage every month.
That's really not anything to brag about. They strarted 0-8 at home. They had to improve on that.

BTW.....Curry's 3pt attempt was a DESIGNED play. Zeke admitted it.

He gets an F. Damn the fact it went in.

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Old 04-08-2007, 06:04 PM   #20
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Old 04-08-2007, 07:35 PM   #21
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your arguments really make no sense... being that i have nothin better to do today here u go.

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Zeke put marbs and francis in the starting line-up in the begginning. He knew that was a bad idea.

Jeffries was injured for the start of the season. What's your point there?
Robinson doesn't have a good bball IQ. What's your point here?
Right....they are raw. raw enough to contribute significantly EVERY time they are on the floor.

had gave balkman and collins big minutes at the start of the year in a year that the goal was to make the playoffs, u would have probably been the first one to villify him.

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Once again who is the one allowing him to shoot 20 footers all game? Zeke.

zeke allows him to shoot 20 footers lol. he allowed him to shoot 20 footers last year and he was pegged the savior and the untouchable. the difference this year??? he isnt making them! his own fault


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And you think that Francis has been a productive Knick? How about Jerome James? Those two duds play almost every game.

who the heck is talking about francis and james. youre talkin about jeffries. but if u wanna talk about francis and james, francis plays all the time? they fake his injuries and send him away from the team... the time he was getting solid minutes he was performing, ie his 3 20+ pt games in a week and his buzzer beater. what happened when he stopped performing? he got "injured" again. and james? hes been healthy all year and has played 35 games and averages 6.7 minutes in those games. not to mention he was a full time starter for the sonics before he came here and was great in that playoff series. so entering in half the games for 6 minutes at a time isnt excessive usage.



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Every minute in a game is valuable. So yes he gave minutes away that could have been used for development.

once again youre arguing the fact that a once productive player for a good team gets 10 minutes a game (if he enters the game at all). while hes shown the ability to help the team with his toughness, guidance and defense. and arguing the minutes for a guy who has played 84 minutes the entire season.


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They wouldn't have to always come from behind if he utilized the guys who usually spark the comeback more than he does. Zeke's fault again.

this arguement really has no basis. i havent heard this criticism from anyone else and really doesnt seem like a big deal at all. if it were the case, phil jackson doesnt call quick timeouts either.


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We haven't been .500 since we won our first game of the season. And no way you can say we would have had a playoff spot. that is pure speculation.

like i said and ill repeat myself. we all know they struggled at the start which put them in a hole, they then went on to go 19-16 from december 16 to march 3. what happened around this time? lee and crawford got hurt at the end of february. qrich got hurt on march 3.... at that point had they gone 7-8 til this point, they would be sitting in the 8th spot. 8-7, they would be tied with the nets in 7th. instead they went 4-11 (including a close loss to orlando). during this stretch they lost so many close winnable games. my bet is they would still be in.


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So now you want Curry to force shots? Reading a defense and hitting the open man helps beat a double team, not shooting the ball with two defenders on you.

when does curry get doubled?? when he gets the ball with his back to the basket and puts the ball on the floor to make his post move. its much more logical to double a guy who is in the post than a guy whos gonna put up a jumper. youre talking about forcing shots. if he has a jumper then it wouldnt be forced... being that he doesnt right now, it would be forced. are u gonna double team curry when hes 10-15 feet away? especially without the ball? and i guess youre assuming that the ONLY thing currys gonna do is work on his jumper.

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Zeke's main problem as coach is that he doesn't have an disipline for players. Every player you mentioned are disgruntled underachievers. They love zeke because he allows them to do whatever they want. he doesn't bring the winners mindset he had with the pistons when he played. He merely pampers his players. Thus he gets the F.

BTW, David Lee, Balkman, Collins, Frye, Robinson, Curry all play the way THEY want to play. Zeke has not developed the guys. He has never developed anyone. Some for the good, some for the bad. Zeke basically stands there with his arms folded and just watches


lol, jermaine o'neal is an underachiever huh? since u dont seem to know who these players are lemme give u a quick breakdown JO is one of the best players in the league. he was the 17th pick btw. al harrington? a potential all star, 25th pick. jamaal tinsley? a solid pg, 27th pick. damon? he was booed like most of thomas' picks but won ROY and had a solid career. im sure theres players im missing also. and when u say the knicks players play the way they wanna play thats funny. i guess he shouldnt get any credit for lee, balkman, collins, nate, etc, but we should blame him for fryes lack of progression.

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Yeah he gets this F.

your argument.... F.
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Old 04-08-2007, 10:30 PM   #22
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1) they were raw rookies. they werent drafted very high so i dont really see a problem with not playing them all that much at the start. especially when you have marbury, robinson, francis, lee, frye, jeffries, etc. playing their positions.
Zeke is this you?? It has to be.

Steve Francis got brought up by YOU. I just found it ridiculous that you think Francis should play at the expense of the rookies. Plus Jared Jeffries was injured, so there was no point at all to this post. Everyone thinks Nate will never be anything special, except you Mr. Thomas.
OMG, You actually justified playing Jerome James!!!! Zeke, You suck!!!!

I really don't see how you manage to boost yourself, Zeke by claiming your drafting of Damon Stoudemire as a great accomplishment. The dude has been average at best.

When Zeke was coaching in Indy, that team underachieved. that teams core had been together over a year before you got there Zeke. They went to the finals before you got there , then when you left Zeke, they won over 60 games. But of course Zeke you believed you did a great job. The team was established before you got there Zeke. You f-ed them up. They stopped playing defense when you got there. You allowed the players to be lazy. And by the way, the greatest Pacer ever Reggie Miller said that Larry Bird was his best coach, not you Zeke. Also to show how bad you was there, you couldn't get out of the first round in any year you coached there. With a team that just went to the finals!!!!

I really don't understand you Isaiah. how can you actually come on the Knicks forum and justify yourself???

You get this F for trying to defend yourself/

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1) they were raw rookies. they werent drafted very high so i dont really see a problem with not playing them all that much at the start. especially when you have marbury, robinson, francis, lee, frye, jeffries, etc. playing their positions.

Zeke is this you?? It has to be.

Steve Francis got brought up by YOU. I just found it ridiculous that you think Francis should play at the expense of the rookies. Plus Jared Jeffries was injured, so there was no point at all to this post. Everyone thinks Nate will never be anything special, except you Mr. Thomas.
OMG, You actually justified playing Jerome James!!!! Zeke, You suck!!!!

I really don't see how you manage to boost yourself, Zeke by claiming your drafting of Damon Stoudemire as a great accomplishment. The dude has been average at best.

When Zeke was coaching in Indy, that team underachieved. that teams core had been together over a year before you got there Zeke. They went to the finals before you got there , then when you left Zeke, they won over 60 games. But of course Zeke you believed you did a great job. The team was established before you got there Zeke. You f-ed them up. They stopped playing defense when you got there. You allowed the players to be lazy. And by the way, the greatest Pacer ever Reggie Miller said that Larry Bird was his best coach, not you Zeke. Also to show how bad you was there, you couldn't get out of the first round in any year you coached there. With a team that just went to the finals!!!!

I really don't understand you Isaiah. how can you actually come on the Knicks forum and justify yourself???

You get this F for trying to defend yourself/


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