Kobe is a part of the 2 biggest failed teams in history

[OldSkoolball#52]

Kobe was dragged down by career losers Karl Malone and Dwight Howard.

Not his fault. Even John Stockton was dragged down by Mailman.

Well to be fair, he was also pulled up by career winners like Shaq and Derek Fisher.


Don't forget, Shaq and Fisher's career playoff win % is >>>>> Kobe

Their teams seem to have playoff success wherever they go (except at the very very end for Shaq). Kobe was kinda first-round-exity in his prime.

So, you know, there is that whole side of it.


edit - oh yeah and how could I forget Robert Horry.

Kobe was kinda like the paint job. The rest of the parts make the car actually go somewhere, the paint job just goes along and catches everyone elses eye. You don't really see the spark plugs or the pistons under the hood chuggin away, but boy that shiny, flashy paint job got everyones attention!

Mamba
Vino
Painty?

[Nick Young]

Well to be fair, he was also pulled up by career winners like Shaq and Derek Fisher.


Don't forget, Shaq and Fisher's career playoff win % is >>>>> Kobe

Their teams seem to have playoff success wherever they go (except at the very very end for Shaq). Kobe was kinda first-round-exity in his prime.

So, you know, there is that whole side of it.


edit - oh yeah and how could I forget Robert Horry.

Kobe was kinda like the paint job. The rest of the parts make the car actually go somewhere, the paint job just goes along and catches everyone elses eye. You don't really see the spark plugs or the pistons under the hood chuggin away, but boy that shiny, flashy paint job got everyones attention!

Mamba
Vino
Painty?

81 points-the GOAT scoring performance of all time, WIlt needed 60 freethrows to get 100 points

[Soundwave]

Well let's see professor:
2004 Shaq - Finals numbers: 26.6 ppg, 10.8 RPG, .631 FG%
2004 Kome -Finals numbers: 22.6 ppg, 4.4 APG, .381 FG%

Failbe

[OldSkoolball#52]

81 points-the GOAT scoring performance of all time, WIlt needed 60 freethrows to get 100 points

Yeah, thats true. He did torch the Toronto Raptors for 81 points in the regular season that one time.

Altho it was definitely a lil risky to attempt that, given the correlation between him shooting less and the team winning more.

But then i guess he know what he doin. When ur playin the Toronto Raptors in the regular season you can try to gun for records like that. He understands that. He also realizes that once its playoff time and ur gonna shoot 34% against tough opponents, you have to do it on fewer shots so ur bigs can balance it out and you can the ultimate prize. Dem rings.

Kobe

[Bandito]

april 2013

Even though I agree with 2004.

[Doranku]

Kobe carried these bums into the playoffs, went down, and now his team is getting blown out by 15+ points a game.

[Big#50]

Kobe is done. Why are people still talking about him? Move on.

[OldSkoolball#52]

Well let's see professor:
2004 Shaq - Finals numbers: 26.6 ppg, 10.8 RPG, .631 FG%
2004 Kome -Finals numbers: 22.6 ppg, 4.4 APG, .381 FG%

Yowza.

I didnt even realize how statistically bad/selfish the actual numbers were.

I do remember watching that Finals tho and noticin that even DPOY Ben Wallace just couldnt handle Shaq 1-on-1. He was tryin valiantly but Shaq was just physically a steamroller.


Also, Rip Hamilton avgd 21 points that series.

dat Prime Kobe defense....

[Solefade]

The 2013 Lakers are not a great team though. So this thread is a failure.

Oh ok, so when LeBron does it everyone discredits him but when Kobe does it, it's different.

lulz.

[SewerUrchin]

[Shaquille O'Neal]

81 points-the GOAT scoring performance of all time, WIlt needed 60 freethrows to get 100 points

Really?
Kobe's 81 pt game - 18/20 at the line
Wilt's 100 - 28/32 at the line.

Kids these days...

[sportjames23]

[crisoner]

Really?
Kobe's 81 pt game - 18/20 at the line
Wilt's 100 - 28/32 at the line.

Kids these days...

I like how you compare an SG numbers to a Bigmans numbers.
Lets see an SG shoot and driving creating their own shots compared to a big man dunking in the post....

Smh

[Ne 1]

Well let's see professor:
2004 Shaq - Finals numbers: 26.6 ppg, 10.8 RPG, .631 FG%
2004 Kome -Finals numbers: 22.6 ppg, 4.4 APG, .381 FG%

Yeah, it was all Kobe's fault. The rest of the team outside of Shaq shooting 33%, Malone injured, Shaq's lazy play defensively and on the boards, and Payton's atrocious play had nothing to do with it. It's all Kobe's fault. That's why the biggest blow-out loss came in the game where he only had 13 shots, right?

Seriously, qhy do people rewrite history when it comes to that 2004 Finals? I mean, nobody would claim Kobe had a good, or even respectable series for a player of his caliber. His shot selection in particular was terrible (but at least he played good defense in that series).

But not only that, Tex Winter criticized Shaq's play in that series for being lazy on defense and the glass, and not establishing position in the paint... and I think Shaq only had the one great game that series.

During the '04 series Shaq wasn't getting in position to get the ball. (when he did he was able to score though). But even if you look at the game where Kobe wasn't looking to score, Shaq still couldn't get off. That's why Phil made the comment about wasting Shaq's great game cause he knew Shaq couldn't bring that level of energy every game. Karl Malone was hurt. Gary Payton was a bad fit and even criticized the triangle offense that year. And the Lakers really had no one else to take those shots so of course it was left to Kobe to gun, it wasn't him just forcing up bad shots.

The Lakers own coaches came out saying how Shaq wasn't working for position and wasn't working to get the ball. Now you can make the judgment on if that was just Shaq pouting cause he wasn't getting the ball enough or you can credit Detroit's defense. Shaq had some great offensive games but was slow defensively coming off the pick and Rip and Chauncy got to the rim at will. Payton averaged 4 ppg on 32% shooting in that series and looked slow defensively as Billups torched him for 21 ppg on 51% shooting and 47% on 3s. Malone was limping around that whole series. He couldn't contribute due to his injury and was a non-factor. Neither played at any notable level that series. To completely blame Kobe for losing is absolutely ridiculous considering the level they were actually at during that series. Malone due to being a 41 year old playing through an injury, and Payton was just embarrassingly incompetent. Don't remake your own history by looking up some box scores. Anyone can do that.

[Odinn]

2004 due to Shaq's laziness and high ego.
2013, Kobe sacrificed his legs to lead his team to the playoff.

The only FAIL I see is the OP, as always, the OP fails every time he mentions Kobe's name.

You are even worse than OP.