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Old 04-26-2017, 10:03 PM   #1546
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Maybe, but all I know is that usually the usage rating goes to ridiculous levels when a team is underperforming - this is where a star player tries to take the game over because his team is clearly inferior.

Harden and Westbrook play relatively on the same level as players, both are arguably as important to their team's overall success, Russ usually is forced to do more because he gets little to no help from his bench depending on the match-up and he doesn't have any reliable shooters to kick it to.

It's like when Kobe was getting criticized in 2013 when the Lakers had a terrible start to the season despite him putting up some of the best numbers of his career, he was getting criticized for missing some shots when they were put in a hole in the 4th but the problem was obvious - the bench provided little to no help and they got no help from their "3pt shooters", who at the time were Ron Artest and Pau Gasol in MDA's system

Point is, WB can do but so much on a nightly basis. He had a 50 pt triple double in Game 2 with a +11 and his bench blew most of a double digit lead and they lost, he had another triple double in Game 4 with a 35/14/14/3 stat line while being a +14 and they lost, he had 47/11/9 on 44% shooting, was a +12 in Game 5 and they lost, even when he had 20 pts in the 3rd quarter of that game his team could barely build a lead and the bench again blew the lead and put him in a 7 pt hole once he came back in.

It's just too much to ask of anyone to carry the offense for the entire game and not have bad stretches of basketball, the shooting % drops in the 4th because the defense locks down on you and now your teammates are looking at you to take them home, even giving up wide open shots in the process because they don't trust their shot.

This. I think part of the problem is that Russ is so good that he makes these games seem winnable and people say "If only he could tone it down," but it's those same heat-check jumpers and relentless approach, the ability to apply constant pressure to the defense, make terrific passes out of nothing without any bail out options, dunk, play defense at times, rebound--etc--that keeps his team in the game in the first place. The thing is, it takes all of that just to keep the game close in the first place, by the end of it, there was no way he'd have gas at the end. Roberson, who is by far one of the league's worst offensive players, was the Thunder's second leading scorer in the series. Oladipo, who had been thought of as a potential legit second option type --somewhere around an 18-20 ppg guy with great defense--is actually terrible, and averaged a staggeringly awful 11 ppg on 34% shooting from the field, with only 1.2 FTA per game. Think about that. He's got a 42 inch vertical, is pretty fast and is built like a thicker D-Wade--and yet, he got to the freethrow line at the rate of the least athletic person imaginable. It's insane and it confirms one thing: he's got zero skills. He also shot 24% from three. All of these stats were gooten in 36 minutes a game. If he could've done better, he would've. CJ McCollum would get it done. Honestly, even an eric gordon would've made a difference. Harden's fourth best offensive player in the series averaged more points per game 7% more efficiently than Oladipo, whilst still playing adequate defense. Insane.
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Old 04-27-2017, 02:21 AM   #1547
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This. I think part of the problem is that Russ is so good that he makes these games seem winnable and people say "If only he could tone it down," but it's those same heat-check jumpers and relentless approach, the ability to apply constant pressure to the defense, make terrific passes out of nothing without any bail out options, dunk, play defense at times, rebound--etc--that keeps his team in the game in the first place. The thing is, it takes all of that just to keep the game close in the first place, by the end of it, there was no way he'd have gas at the end. Roberson, who is by far one of the league's worst offensive players, was the Thunder's second leading scorer in the series. Oladipo, who had been thought of as a potential legit second option type --somewhere around an 18-20 ppg guy with great defense--is actually terrible, and averaged a staggeringly awful 11 ppg on 34% shooting from the field, with only 1.2 FTA per game. Think about that. He's got a 42 inch vertical, is pretty fast and is built like a thicker D-Wade--and yet, he got to the freethrow line at the rate of the least athletic person imaginable. It's insane and it confirms one thing: he's got zero skills. He also shot 24% from three. All of these stats were gooten in 36 minutes a game. If he could've done better, he would've. CJ McCollum would get it done. Honestly, even an eric gordon would've made a difference. Harden's fourth best offensive player in the series averaged more points per game 7% more efficiently than Oladipo, whilst still playing adequate defense. Insane.

Well said. People LOVE to hate on Russ..but the guy is an otherworldly being.. "He's gotta trust his teammates"..Get real haters. The (way) better team won.
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Old 04-27-2017, 02:24 AM   #1548
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Oh really, was Harden doing more on a worse team?

Curry averaged 24/4/8 on 49/44/91 shooting, led his team in pts, assists and steals, shot higher from 3 than Harden did overall from the field, broke the 3pt record and his team won 11 more games than Houston, Curry was almost better in every single metric that season..unless you think 27/6/7 on worse efficiency is better than what Curry did.

It's not the same thing, WB this season is putting up better numbers in almost every single statistic on a worse team and played better than Harden H2H - complete opposite of the Curry and Harden situation.


Actually Harden and Curry efficiency weren't that off. Harden had a 60 ts% while curry had a 63 ts %

Harden led in rebounds and points just like Westbrook vs Harden this year.

Houston team back them was almost or worse than Westbrook, with Howard missing half a season. He did it next to DMo instead of Adams.

The difference between Houston and Okc wasn't bigger because Houston stopped carrying about wins once it was stuck on 3 place.

Houston actually was 2nd not 6th.

Is almost the same story as Westbrook Harden but with Westbrook being a bit worse efficient and closer in stats to Harden with a lower seat team and instead of GSW multiple all stars, Harden and Westbrook had no all start next to them.

If you thought Curry deserved the MvP and now think is Westbrook you just a hypocrite.
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Old 04-27-2017, 09:35 AM   #1549
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Maybe, but all I know is that usually the usage rating goes to ridiculous levels when a team is underperforming - this is where a star player tries to take the game over because his team is clearly inferior.

Harden and Westbrook play relatively on the same level as players, both are arguably as important to their team's overall success, Russ usually is forced to do more because he gets little to no help from his bench depending on the match-up and he doesn't have any reliable shooters to kick it to.

It's like when Kobe was getting criticized in 2013 when the Lakers had a terrible start to the season despite him putting up some of the best numbers of his career, he was getting criticized for missing some shots when they were put in a hole in the 4th but the problem was obvious - the bench provided little to no help and they got no help from their "3pt shooters", who at the time were Ron Artest and Pau Gasol in MDA's system

Point is, WB can do but so much on a nightly basis. He had a 50 pt triple double in Game 2 with a +11 and his bench blew most of a double digit lead and they lost, he had another triple double in Game 4 with a 35/14/14/3 stat line while being a +14 and they lost, he had 47/11/9 on 44% shooting, was a +12 in Game 5 and they lost, even when he had 20 pts in the 3rd quarter of that game his team could barely build a lead and the bench again blew the lead and put him in a 7 pt hole once he came back in.

It's just too much to ask of anyone to carry the offense for the entire game and not have bad stretches of basketball, the shooting % drops in the 4th because the defense locks down on you and now your teammates are looking at you to take them home, even giving up wide open shots in the process because they don't trust their shot.

What I'm saying is, while it's super cool that Westbrook had a 50 pt trip-dub, it may be more beneficial if he only has 35-10-6 and he gets his teammates more involved.

Like I said, they're so dependent on Westbrook to do everything that when he's not on the court, NOBODY else on the team knows what to do because their team philosophy is 'give the ball to Westbrook and then stand around and watch him do shit'.

Like I said, Taj Gibson absolutely abused Anderson for like 6 straight minutes. Why did they go away from that? So instead of getting Taj the ball some more so that he can continually exploit his mismatch which would inevitably make Houston pull Anderson off the floor (and change their lineup), they inexplicably decided that that was enough and then let Westbrook go back to playing hero ball. Why?

Why was McBuckets 4-5 from the floor, and 3-4 from deep, in 10 minutes before the 4th in game 3 (or 4?) only to, literally, not take another shot attempt for the entire 7 minutes he was on the floor at the end of the game? Would it be so awful if maybe, I don't know, Westbrook allowed him to put up another long range shot or two, just to keep the defense honest?

Say what you want about his supporting cast, but for the season, Abrines, Grant, McBuckets, and Oladipo ALL shot over 36% from the 3pt line. That ain't too shabby. In fact, that's better then Harden, and Ariza, and Lou Williams.

If they aren't getting shots in the fourth, its because Westbrook. And if they aren't hitting the open shots they're given, its because they hadn't touched the ball in 13 minutes of game play.

His play style is detrimental to his teammates. I think that much is obvious.

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Old 04-27-2017, 09:36 AM   #1550
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This. I think part of the problem is that Russ is so good that he makes these games seem winnable and people say "If only he could tone it down," but it's those same heat-check jumpers and relentless approach, the ability to apply constant pressure to the defense, make terrific passes out of nothing without any bail out options, dunk, play defense at times, rebound--etc--that keeps his team in the game in the first place. The thing is, it takes all of that just to keep the game close in the first place, by the end of it, there was no way he'd have gas at the end. Roberson, who is by far one of the league's worst offensive players, was the Thunder's second leading scorer in the series. Oladipo, who had been thought of as a potential legit second option type --somewhere around an 18-20 ppg guy with great defense--is actually terrible, and averaged a staggeringly awful 11 ppg on 34% shooting from the field, with only 1.2 FTA per game. Think about that. He's got a 42 inch vertical, is pretty fast and is built like a thicker D-Wade--and yet, he got to the freethrow line at the rate of the least athletic person imaginable. It's insane and it confirms one thing: he's got zero skills. He also shot 24% from three. All of these stats were gooten in 36 minutes a game. If he could've done better, he would've. CJ McCollum would get it done. Honestly, even an eric gordon would've made a difference. Harden's fourth best offensive player in the series averaged more points per game 7% more efficiently than Oladipo, whilst still playing adequate defense. Insane.

He sure wasn't last season when he was dropping 21 a game shooting over 50% from the floor for the last few months.

He's terrible now that he has Westbrook as a teammate. As is Taj. As is McBuckets. Why is that, do you think?

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Old 04-27-2017, 09:38 AM   #1551
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Westbrook exposed. He needs to stop playing like this or else he won't ever win jackshit
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Old 04-27-2017, 10:33 AM   #1552
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He sure wasn't last season when he was dropping 21 a game shooting over 50% from the floor for the last few months.

He's terrible now that he has Westbrook as a teammate. As is Taj. As is McBuckets. Why is that, do you think?
Because they got worse. You think it's some sort of breaking news that teams are trading away young 21 a game scorers? Or trading away another young kid in McBuckets for Cameron Payne? Damn man, you should be a GM. Teams would fleece you left and right
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Because they got worse. You think it's some sort of breaking news that teams are trading away young 21 a game scorers? Or trading away another young kid in McBuckets for Cameron Payne? Damn man, you should be a GM. Teams would fleece you left and right

They got worse because Westbrook is their teammate.

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Now that Durant is leaving OKC for the Golden State Warriors and reporters close to the team seem to be airing out the Thunder's dirty laundry, Young has provided a relatively juicy missing tidbit from the story.

On the TrueHoop Podcast, the reporter said that when Durant asked for that meeting, he had been telling others that Westbrook was the worst teammate he'd played with in his life.

"I didn't put this in the piece piece but I'm willing to say it now," Young said. "The person that told me this said that Durant was telling people that Westbrook was literally the worst teammate he'd ever had. He didn't want to play with him any more. But this kind of goes to show Durant's impulsiveness. "

Good luck to Westbrook. Gonna be a challenge to find someone who actually wants to be on his team, after seeing what happened to everyone else traded to OKC.

Maybe he'll be able to hero ball his way to a second round appearance next season, but I doubt it.
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They got worse because Westbrook is their teammate.

Good luck to Westbrook. Gonna be a challenge to find someone who actually wants to be on his team, after seeing what happened to everyone else traded to OKC.

Maybe he'll be able to hero ball his way to a second round appearance next season, but I doubt it.
They got worse because they aren't any good. What you don't understand is that teams do not give away good players for expiring Ibaka contracts, and throw in their rookie draft pick as well

Keep dwelling on Westbrook. I'm sure that 2nd round knockout will feel great to you Rocket fans when Westbrook is holding da MVP trophy.
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They got worse because they aren't any good. What you don't understand is that teams do not give away good players for expiring Ibaka contracts, and throw in their rookie draft pick as well

Keep dwelling on Westbrook. I'm sure that 2nd round knockout will feel great to you Rocket fans when Westbrook is holding da MVP trophy.

Nah, they 'got worse' because they were put into the 'let Westbrook ball out' offensive scheme. They 'got worse' for the same reason that Durant left.

Them trip-dubs, doe.
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Dat MVP doe
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What I'm saying is, while it's super cool that Westbrook had a 50 pt trip-dub, it may be more beneficial if he only has 35-10-6 and he gets his teammates more involved.

Like I said, they're so dependent on Westbrook to do everything that when he's not on the court, NOBODY else on the team knows what to do because their team philosophy is 'give the ball to Westbrook and then stand around and watch him do shit'.

Like I said, Taj Gibson absolutely abused Anderson for like 6 straight minutes. Why did they go away from that? So instead of getting Taj the ball some more so that he can continually exploit his mismatch which would inevitably make Houston pull Anderson off the floor (and change their lineup), they inexplicably decided that that was enough and then let Westbrook go back to playing hero ball. Why?

Why was McBuckets 4-5 from the floor, and 3-4 from deep, in 10 minutes before the 4th in game 3 (or 4?) only to, literally, not take another shot attempt for the entire 7 minutes he was on the floor at the end of the game? Would it be so awful if maybe, I don't know, Westbrook allowed him to put up another long range shot or two, just to keep the defense honest?

Say what you want about his supporting cast, but for the season, Abrines, Grant, McBuckets, and Oladipo ALL shot over 36% from the 3pt line. That ain't too shabby. In fact, that's better then Harden, and Ariza, and Lou Williams.

If they aren't getting shots in the fourth, its because Westbrook. And if they aren't hitting the open shots they're given, its because they hadn't touched the ball in 13 minutes of game play.

His play style is detrimental to his teammates. I think that much is obvious.

Those bench players that shot decent from 3 were huge negatives in those games, especially in Game 5

And this is not the first year that OKC has this issue, remember last year vs Warriors when KD was pissed off and shouting at his guys for not shooting the open shot?

You can say that Russ is too aggressive in the 4th but what else can he do when his teammates pass the ball back to him despite being open, I saw Oladipo and Roberson brick wide open 3s from the corner when it mattered, I saw guys fumbling the pass and turning it over. Eventually there's 2-3 minutes left and Russ is forced to trade baskets with a much better offense while playing 1 on 5, this is the same issue Kobe had with those piss poor Laker teams in the mid 2000s.
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Westbrook just needs another star player like the old days.
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